It didn't take streaming long to come full circle

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You played the game wrong. You cancel switch providers and come back as a new customer. Netflix, Max, and Paramount+ are nowhere near the level of content that a cable sub offered back then.

Nobody is saying that the overall price is the same. What people are saying is the streaming product is rapidly progressing to a worse product over time. They’re raising prices and reducing content and now companies that didn’t have ads and placing those as well. These reductions in service quality came very fast.

As they try to make streaming more profitable it will inevitably become more like cable but without the democratized price structure. You’ll have to pay more for the content you want and get less content overall for your money in a fractured version of what the cable bundle was.

2-3 years ago streaming was a much better proposition than it is today. It took cable decades to make a decline in quality to what it is today.
My Netflix, Max and Paramount+ subs alone offer me much better content than Cable offered at any point in time. No commercials, higher budget content, more international content, an ability to rate and judge the content, every piece of streaming content is inherently time-shifted, and faster transition from Theatrical releases to TV. All for only pay $40/month. I paid $40/month for basic cable in 1996 ($78/month in today's dollars). Since the late 90s Cable and Satellite has pushed quantity over quality (More channels), but when viewers are polled, they really only watch 10-20 channels on the high side. Cable customers are really only paying for 5 -10 channels, with the rest just bundled in. Before streaming, Cable customers begged for Ala Carte pricing, and streaming comes close to offering that. No one is going to gaslight us into believing what we want is somehow not what we really want. Customers aren't complaining about streaming prices and their overall cost. That's just the media or those too young to remember the days of Cable TV.

I can't speak for all other streaming services, but Netflix has persistently gotten better over the years, and I've been a Netflix users since it was just a DVD rental service. I remember when they first started streaming and it had the quality of ebaum's world videos. Today, they offer 4k, HDR, and Dolby Atmos audio for a lot of their content. People use to watch Netflix for movies that previously were Theatrical releases, now Netflix's most popular content is homegrown.

When it comes to stock prices, profitability has always taken a back seat to marketshare (ie Uber). Netflix can easily be profitable, but they know their stock price is more closely tied to their marketshare lead than their profitability. They bring in a ton of revenue, they just reinvest it in content. People act as if the bulk of Netflix revenue is going to server farms or infrastructure, when its not.

Yes, 2-3 years ago, streaming services were a better bargain, but like every new tech, it's sold cheap at first or at a loss, to gain marketshare. Its not unique. We see it at the supermarket with new food products. They too start cheap, then the manufacturer raises prices. No one is making a convincing argument for why or how higher priced streaming services being worse than cable TV? Even at the same price, 3 streaming apps is better than cable services. If Disney charged $70 for its Disney+/ESPN/Hulu bundle, its still offers more content and higher quality video/audio than its cable TV counterpart. That streaming bundle is only $20 right now.
 

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Do people not remember what cable prices were like in the early 2000s? I was selling home theaters back then, and cable bills would easily reach $200/month with internet. I had a customer who maxed out his cable package, getting everything Comcast offered, and was spending $300/month. He said, he didn't buy DVDs or go to the movies, so it was worth it for him. Last time I had cable, Verizon charged me $180/month for internet, HD cable with 1 premium channel, one HD/DVR cable box, and one SD cable box. I cut the cord 2 months in and never looked back.

So today, I pay around $80/month for internet, and I sub to Netflix's top tier, Paramount+, and HBO Max. That's $120, vs the $180 Verizon was charging me before. Hell, adjusted for inflation, Verizon was charging me $280/month in today's dollars. So any article saying streaming services cost more than cable is all
:duck: I watch zero ads, I get better video and audio quality than cable, and have the ability to time shift (DVR) everything. I'm a very strategic TV watcher, so I don't channel surf, but if I did the Disney+/Hulu/ESPN bundle along with 2 other streaming services is roughly $50. Even that is still better and cheaper than cable TV.

I don't know what's up with Tubi, but everyone seems to be using it. All my family members and co-workers watch it, and its not like they don't subscribe to other streaming services. I guarantee Netflix is looking at Tubi as their real competitor.





SO YOU DONT HAVE DISNEY, AMAZON,
APPLE , HULU ETC.
YOU CANT REALLY TALK ABOUT PRICES
WHEN YOURE MISSING THE MAJORITY OF SERVICES


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SO YOU DONT HAVE DISNEY, AMAZON,
APPLE , HULU ETC.
YOU CANT REALLY TALK ABOUT PRICES
WHEN YOURE MISSING THE MAJORITY OF SERVICES


:devil:
:evil:


I've subscribed to each of them at some point and time. Much of them overlap in content, so I narrow down to the services I liked most. I currently subscribe to Amazon Prime, but since I sub for the shopping not the video, I don't include Prime Video when I budget out my video streaming services, because its a free incidental service for me. Most of my comments discuss pricing in pretty clear detail. If you pay for a yearly subscription, like I do, all of the services average out to $10/month or less. I pay for Netflix's top tier subscription, so its obviously higher ($20/month).

The ideal video sub package for someone coming from Cable TV would be the Disney+/Hulu/ESPN bundle, HBO Max, and Netflix. That's only $60/month. Any additional services will just overlap in content. When a movie leaves Prime video or Paramount+, it will appear on Netflix, Disney, or HBO Max shortly after. My kids don't care for Disney content, but they love Nickelodeon content, so I canceled Disney+ and got Paramount+. See how that works?
 

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My Netflix, Max and Paramount+ subs alone offer me much better content than Cable offered at any point in time. No commercials, higher budget content, more international content, an ability to rate and judge the content, every piece of streaming content is inherently time-shifted, and faster transition from Theatrical releases to TV. All for only pay $40/month. I paid $40/month for basic cable in 1996 ($78/month in today's dollars). Since the late 90s Cable and Satellite has pushed quantity over quality (More channels), but when viewers are polled, they really only watch 10-20 channels on the high side. Cable customers are really only paying for 5 -10 channels, with the rest just bundled in. Before streaming, Cable customers begged for Ala Carte pricing, and streaming comes close to offering that. No one is going to gaslight us into believing what we want is somehow not what we really want. Customers aren't complaining about streaming prices and their overall cost. That's just the media or those too young to remember the days of Cable TV.

I can't speak for all other streaming services, but Netflix has persistently gotten better over the years, and I've been a Netflix users since it was just a DVD rental service. I remember when they first started streaming and it had the quality of ebaum's world videos. Today, they offer 4k, HDR, and Dolby Atmos audio for a lot of their content. People use to watch Netflix for movies that previously were Theatrical releases, now Netflix's most popular content is homegrown.

When it comes to stock prices, profitability has always taken a back seat to marketshare (ie Uber). Netflix can easily be profitable, but they know their stock price is more closely tied to their marketshare lead than their profitability. They bring in a ton of revenue, they just reinvest it in content. People act as if the bulk of Netflix revenue is going to server farms or infrastructure, when its not.

Yes, 2-3 years ago, streaming services were a better bargain, but like every new tech, it's sold cheap at first or at a loss, to gain marketshare. Its not unique. We see it at the supermarket with new food products. They too start cheap, then the manufacturer raises prices. No one is making a convincing argument for why or how higher priced streaming services being worse than cable TV? Even at the same price, 3 streaming apps is better than cable services. If Disney charged $70 for its Disney+/ESPN/Hulu bundle, its still offers more content and higher quality video/audio than its cable TV counterpart. That streaming bundle is only $20 right now.

Yeah but you can’t watch sports specifically the NBA and MLB. That’s a big deal for a lot of people. That’s damn near the only thing I watch on tv regularly.
 

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Yeah but you can’t watch sports specifically the NBA and MLB. That’s a big deal for a lot of people. That’s damn near the only thing I watch on tv regularly.

When it comes to sports you are screwed. Cable Networks have bought up the rights to 90% of sports broadcasts, so it is what it is. You can get access via your local cable provider, YouTube TV, or SlingTV, but its all the same content. NBA on TNT is the same regardless who the provider is. The other 10% can be watched via a simple TV antenna connected to your TV, where ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox broadcast weekend sports and playoff games. I admit, I don't watch a lot of sports. I subscribe to NBA league pass ($169/year - $14/month) but I'm actually subbing for someone else to use. I personally don't use it. But no one is subscribing to Netflix, Shudder, HBO Max, Paramount+, Prime Video, or Peacock for sports.
 

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shot themselves in the foot by being too ambitious (greedy)


without cable syndication, all your numbers from streaming probably arent tangible. I dont see how they were turning profit if they would make 5-10 shows a year, and each episode costs anywhere between 10-20 mill an episode.

Theyre trying to air Ms Marvel on ABC this fall, but what about the other like 10 marvel-specificc shows that just sit on the platform with low numbers?


Hope they fail tbh. Yall nikkas have cruiseships and theme park money for marvel and star wars. Go' head and recoup :manny:
 

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SO YOU DONT HAVE DISNEY, AMAZON,
APPLE , HULU ETC.
YOU CANT REALLY TALK ABOUT PRICES
WHEN YOURE MISSING THE MAJORITY OF SERVICES


:devil:
:evil:


no matter what, you're finessed into needing most of the services

-The Boys
-Ted Lasso
-Wandavision
-The Bear

these are all my top shows from past couple years and they all are on different streamers. Only way to watch em is to purchase each platform OR pirate it

no way around it unlelss you wanna get IPTV (which is also a service that could cause mad issues like android boxes)
 
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