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JT-Money

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Damn is it that bad. :lupe:
I'm looking to get into cybersecurity, I thought SOC would be good entry point.
what didn't you like about SOC jobs?
Most companies with a SOC don't know what the fukk their doing. You end up staring at the same alerts everyday and performing the same repetitive tasks over and over.

These companies aren't going to make any real changes to secure the environment. And will task the SOC with the impossible task of stopping every attack. Despite the fact nobody else in the company could give a shyt about security. You'll mostly end up on an island with no real resources or power in the organization. Working yourself to death for people who will turn around and blame you when they get owned. Plus they don't usually pay shyt.
 

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Currrently doing forensics consulting for a major big player company, it’s and these places aren’t all what they’re drummed up to be.

I think I’m going back to a smaller focused company. Experiences some racism and shytty managers too. They definitely don’t make the place hospitable.

I been talking to a few guys and gals who left and complained about the cliques and they have similar issues.

Another huge issue of cliques in cyber security are military cliques. Dudes be cramming chats with stories of military gigs and people outside
Of the US/military circle are just like :unimpressed:

Anyway, CV freshened. Time to get interviewing again
 
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Damn is it that bad. :lupe:
I'm looking to get into cybersecurity, I thought SOC would be good entry point.
what didn't you like about SOC jobs?

Here is my perspective, you get in where you can man. I have been working in a soc for close to 4 years now. It was the best move for me because I lacked experienced. I was rejected a million times before I landed a soc role(senior role at that).

If you want to work in a SOC, find a big MSSP. They manage fws, endpoints, ips and perform security analyst etc. for hundreds of clients. and have the manpower. You see so many issues and change request that you get lots of exposure. They will also pay for your certifications so you can take advantage and move on.

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I would not work at so and so companies soc unless it is a major company like AT&T, Verizon etc. You need manpower, these smaller companies dont have it so they outsource it to MSSPs. It's impossible to know everything. Some clients I talk to, they do it all with and when shyt go wrong, they are under stress by upper management. They don't give a shyt you exist until shyt goes wrong and don't see the hundreds of issues you have resolved.

My only complaints has been rude clients but I have only had to deal with that like 3-4 times. The other thing is Customer Success Managers and PMs can be a pain in the ass when clients call them. They put unnecessary pressure on technical resources.

Company I work is moving away from that side of the business but it was a good experience for me. A lot of people have moved on some technical work, some project managers, some become risk management , sales engineer, systems engineers etc. lol who knows where I will end up but I dont want to be in the soc forever:mjlol:. There is this team all they do is pull reports from clients, go over their vulnerabilties, tell them this is their most critical, do some research online and go home n fridays at 2:00, 3:00 pm lol. So they Cyber Security doesn't have to be stressful.

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Most companies with a SOC don't know what the fukk their doing. You end up staring at the same alerts everyday and performing the same repetitive tasks over and over.

These companies aren't going to make any real changes to secure the environment. And will task the SOC with the impossible task of stopping every attack. Despite the fact nobody else in the company could give a shyt about security. You'll mostly end up on an island with no real resources or power in the organization. Working yourself to death for people who will turn around and blame you when they get owned. Plus they don't usually pay shyt.
Also some of them use custom software so you're not even learning anything like wireshark which is crucial, SOC is a dead end job.
 

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So a family member is about to graduate with an undergraduate in cybersecurity. Any ideas on the best paths for him?
 

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Did he do any internships?

He hasn’t yet. He’s still about a year away from graduating. Just trying to help fam out with the best path. I know a degree isn’t the end all be all in the IT world but maybe he can get his foot in the door somewhere and start getting certs?

He’s kinda tryin to figure out the best path. He’s young (22). He even thought about the military after college and/or getting security clearance.

Any ideas on possible internships?
 

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He hasn’t yet. He’s still about a year away from graduating. Just trying to help fam out with the best path. I know a degree isn’t the end all be all in the IT world but maybe he can get his foot in the door somewhere and start getting certs?

He’s kinda tryin to figure out the best path. He’s young (22). He even thought about the military after college and/or getting security clearance.

Any ideas on possible internships?

He should apply for internships. I would aim for companies like Deloitte, KPMG, PWC, McKinsey, Bain, EY, Accenture, Booz Allen Hamilton, Amazon, Google etc. The key is to give yourself the best career start possible with companies where there will be lots of growth potential and ability to move around. At least that's what I would do if I was fresh out of college now that I know better

Also, he can look into cyber security development programs.

These programs are typically 3-4 years. If he is agressive, get all the key certs while in the program by 26 he can hit six figures easy. They key is to start at good companies.

Honestly, even if he has to start at a smaller company, by year 1, I would have aimed for the companies above.
 

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He should apply for internships. I would aim for companies like Deloitte, KPMG, PWC, McKinsey, Bain, EY, Accenture, Booz Allen Hamilton, Amazon, Google etc. The key is to give yourself the best career start possible with companies where there will be lots of growth potential and ability to move around. At least that's what I would do if I was fresh out of college now that I know better

Also, he can look into cyber security development programs.

These programs are typically 3-4 years. If he is agressive, get all the key certs while in the program by 26 he can hit six figures easy. They key is to start at good companies.

Honestly, even if he has to start at a smaller company, by year 1, I would have aimed for the companies above.

That’s great info appreciate it. I take it most of these companies out there have a cybersecurity internship/development program to get in the door?
 

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Why are recruiters (not even actual client) HELL bent on video calling recruits? :mjpls: :dame:
 

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Coders make no sense being on this list with how difficult it is to replace them. This data is probably skewed by startups who are hemorrhaging jobs.

The data reveals four kinds of workers who are getting laid off the most:

1. Recent hires

Last in, first out: That's how companies often decide who stays and who goes. So it's no surprise that in the current wave of layoffs, veteran employees are enjoying more job security. The average laid-off employee in Revelio Labs' analysis had worked for their employer for 1.2 years — meaning they were most likely hired near the start of the Great Resignation. By comparison, the average tenure at those same employers was 2.5 years — suggesting you're far more likely to be kept on if you joined your company before the coronavirus pandemic.

2. High earners

There's an obvious reason making a bigger salary makes you a sitting duck in a round of layoffs: Employers save more money by cutting the jobs of high earners. Revelio Labs found that the salaries of those who were laid off were substantially higher across a variety of occupations than salaries of people who kept their jobs. The average laid-off engineer, for example, made $86,000 — compared with an overall average of $75,000 for engineering roles. People who were let go in operations, admin, sales, and marketing roles also earned about $10,000 more than their counterparts. The more you make, the more risk you face of being laid off.

3. Millennials

In a previous analysis, Revelio Labs found that young professionals were much more likely than their older coworkers to switch jobs during the Great Resignation. The moment presented an especially welcome opportunity for millennials, who had been slogging it out for years in lower-paid roles following the global financial meltdown in 2008. Spurred by the hot job market in the aftermath of the pandemic, they were finally able to regain some of the earning power they had lost in the 2010s.

But now, the decision to switch jobs has come back to bite young workers in their late 20s and early 30s. Indeed, the current round of layoffs has been largely a millennial phenomenon. At the employers Revelio Labs tracked that implemented job cuts, millennials made up 79% of the workforce — but suffered an astonishing 94% of the layoffs.

4. Recruiters and coders

During the recent wave of layoffs, no one has been at greater risk of getting cut than recruiters. It makes sense: The last thing a company needs in a hiring freeze is an army of people whose sole job is to hire employees. The opposite was true during the Great Resignation. Until earlier this year, businesses were on a hiring spree for recruiters, whom they needed to carry out a hiring spree for everyone else. As recently as March, job openings for HR professionals were up by 130% during the pandemic — marking some of the biggest increases across the dozens of occupations tracked by Indeed. They've since tumbled by about 40%.

Software engineers have also suffered disproportionately in the recent round of job cutting. That surprised me, because the layoffs Revelio Labs studied were primarily concentrated in the tech industry — and tech companies are notorious for having two-tiered workplaces, in which coders are treated like gods. They're usually the last to get laid off, because they're considered essential to the core business. But this time engineers were actually more likely than those in other roles to get laid off. That's most likely because their salaries rose so dramatically during the Great Resignation, when they were in high demand, that their companies saw layoffs as a way to reset pay closer to pre-pandemic levels.
 
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