Israel becomes major hub in the international cocaine trade, abuse rising

[thekingsmen]

1. Why does every uninformed person use that letter J argument? We are obviously speaking english right now, or are you prepared to carry this conversation on in another language? Fwiw, you realize all languages have loanwords/letters, including Hebrew? Are you aware that the hebrew alphabet was changed three times prior to the 1st century AD, by the hebrews themselves? But going by your logic we should start calling them yehudim

2. I clearly mentioned the Lemba being legit jews in my post. But they claim their ancestory began through several non-black jews who crossed over from Yemen into Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemba_people#Lemba_traditions_and_culture

Here's something you might not know... The Sephardic jews were also direct descendants of og Jews, seeing as they had been migrating to Spain since 200 BC... and weren't remotely close to being black.


3. Jewish diaspora, nuff said. They all didn't go fleeing into Africa as erroneous books like From Babylon to Timbutktu will have you believe.

4. History tells us the jews were sent to ALL the Roman provinces after 70 AD (Josephus, War of the Jews, Book 6, Ch 9, Section 2).

In regards to persicution, last time I checked the Holocaust actually happened. Then there's the Sephardic jews, who went through massacres at the hands of the catholics and muslims.are you familiar with the Spanish & Portuguese Inquisitions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_inquisition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Inquisition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1066_Granada_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain#Massacre_of_1391



5. Thank you for the ABC bible lesson. Ashkenaz is also what the jews called Germany, hence Ashkenazi jews. Just as Spain is referred to as Sepparaddi, hence Sephardic jews.


Anyways, thought I'd post this just for kicks..

Romans 15:22-28

"For this reason I also have been much hindered from coming to you. But now no longer having a place in these parts, and having a great desire these many years to come to you, whenever I journey to Spain, I shall come to you. For I hope to see you on my journey, and to be helped on my way there by you, if first I may enjoy your company for a while. But now I am going to Jerusalem to minister to the saints. For it pleased those from Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor among the saints who are in Jerusalem. It pleased them indeed, and they are their debtors. For if the Gentiles have been partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister to them in material things. Therefore, when I have performed this and have sealed to them this fruit, I shall go by way of you to Spain."

1. The J argument works because the very fact that no language used it before English. So this "Jew" you speak of was non-existent until the 1800's. Loaning words is the excuse you are using to justify your lack of how the word "Jew" even existed, especially a old ass language like Hebrew. You can say they changed the language 3 times all you want, doesn't change the fact that J was non-existent in Hebrew period. I don't call anyone people of Israel unless they are Hebrew, not Jew.

2. You black was there in Yemen before the Arab existed right? Dude get real. No one saying anything about Arab Jews...we are speaking on Ashkenazi.

3. You obviously dismiss black literature which proves you only except European. That right there discredits your argument.

4. Too bad Roman Empire was already broken down before this influx of these so called "People of Israel" showed up. 476 A.D . But the Khazar Empire was growing then...

4a. The persecution of many people happened with the Spanish Enq, and the Holocaust but the Bible addresses the matter of Hebrews suffrage solely by themselves. The Black Man fits this description perfectly in Deuteronomy 28. But since you think you know something..

5. You avoided alot of the Bible quotes as you claimed you read it. GENESIS 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. Japheth is the non-Semitic brother. His sons are...The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. And the sons of Gomer; ASHKENAZ, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

Hmmm now tell me where Ashkenaz would be in the non-semite family and not with Shem or Ham? These converts aren't Hebrews. This is why. Go head and beat around the bush there my friend.

 

[Czar]

1. The J argument works because the very fact that no language used it before English. So this "Jew" you speak of was non-existent until the 1800's. Loaning words is the excuse you are using to justify your lack of how the word "Jew" even existed, especially a old ass language like Hebrew. You can say they changed the language 3 times all you want, doesn't change the fact that J was non-existent in Hebrew period. I don't call anyone people of Israel unless they are Hebrew, not Jew.

2. You black was there in Yemen before the Arab existed right? Dude get real. No one saying anything about Arab Jews...we are speaking on Ashkenazi.

3. You obviously dismiss black literature which proves you only except European. That right there discredits your argument.

4. Too bad Roman Empire was already broken down before this influx of these so called "People of Israel" showed up. 476 A.D . But the Khazar Empire was growing then...

4a. The persecution of many people happened with the Spanish Enq, and the Holocaust but the Bible addresses the matter of Hebrews suffrage solely by themselves. The Black Man fits this description perfectly in Deuteronomy 28. But since you think you know something..

5. You avoided alot of the Bible quotes as you claimed you read it. GENESIS 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. Japheth is the non-Semitic brother. His sons are...The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras. And the sons of Gomer; ASHKENAZ, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

Hmmm now tell me where Ashkenaz would be in the non-semite family and not with Shem or Ham? These converts aren't Hebrews. This is why. Go head and beat around the bush there my friend.

Lemme preface this by saying I'm a former member of several "Hebrew Israelite" camps. Among them the OG ICUPK, which later became the ICGJC, and the new ISUPK. If anyone can tell you about those cults and their false teachings, it's me.

Now...

1. Once again you present the same strawman argument. For starters, get your facts right. The letter J didn't exist until the 15th century, but was used in the romanance languages BEFORE it was added into English. Nobody is claiming the og people called themselves "jews", because they obviously didn't speak english... but in modern english, the term Jew is the correct one, so you're arguing a moot point.

FYI, If OG titles is of the utmost importance to you, they didn't call their land Israel or themselves hebrews either. They called it Yisra'el & themselves ivrim.

As for you having issues calling them Jews (Yehudim)... you might wanna try reading 1st Kings 11:31-39. Or are you aware that Israel split and became two separate kingdoms? The Northern kingdom was captured then dispersed, hence the 10 lost tribes of Israel. Whereas the Southern Kingdom (House of Judah) was the only one to return to the holy land after their captivity. Which is why the region was called Yehudah (Judea) during the time of Jesus. He and the Apostles had NO problem using the term Yehudim (Jews) btw.


2. Lol huh?

3. I give everything a chance until it is proven to be false. Hence why I do not take From Babylon to Timbuktu seriously. Dr windsor made alot of critical errors in his book, among them using alot of disinfo concerning history and offering personal interpretations as opposed to providing reputable sources for his conclusions.

4a. You DO realize the Jewish diaspora didn't happen overnight right? We are literally talking about well over 2,000 years of migration and/or expulsion from over 109 nations.

4b. Deuteronomy 28 says they would be sent to many countries and suffer indefinitely due to their disobediance. And they did. Jews were sent to Egypt, Greece, Italy, the Iberian Penisula, etc. In fact, all Roman slaves (I.e, not just Jews) were shipped to provinces that needed workers. Hence why Rome had such a huge navy in the mediterranean.

http://theoldrome.hubpages.com/hub/slavery-in-ancient-rome

Just so you can get a general Idea of what the Roman empire looked like then.

I assume you believe that my ancestors (African people fwiw) were the only slaves in history to be sent on ships. Guess you didn't read up on the Indigenous and Irish slaves who were also shipped against their will.

http://nativeamericanhistory.about....Untold-History-Of-American-Indian-Slavery.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves


5. Did you see the part where I said Ashkenaz was ALSO the name the Jews referred to germany as? Hence Ashkenazi jews.

Which shoulda been a clear indicator to you that I was well aware of Genesis 9:27 and Ashkenaz being Japheth's Grandson. It shoulda also made you understand that the correlation between Ashkenaz and the title Ashkenazi Jews has NOTHING to do with them being his direct descendants.

Now I have a couple questions for you. Do you assume that Yemenite Jews only trace their lineage to Yemen? Or Sephardic Jews to the Iberian Penisula?

And are you aware that the apostle Paul was a roman citizen born in Tarsus, which is in modern day Turkey? Cause If we use you're backwards logic we'd have to assume he was either Roman or Turkish and not an Israelite.

Edit: (Just in case my sarcasm goes over your head again, I know he was an Israelite)

Seriously, the amount of logical fallacies you commited in your argument is amazing. Work on those please.

Also, read Titus 3:9 and memorize it.

 

[Blackking]

Those dudes certainly have the nose for it

wow

 

[thekingsmen]

Lemme preface this by saying I'm a former member of several "Hebrew Israelite" camps. Among them the OG ICUPK, which later became the ICGJC, and the new ISUPK. If anyone can tell you about those cults and their false teachings, it's me.

Now...

1. Once again you present the same strawman argument. For starters, get your facts right. The letter J didn't exist until the 15th century, but was used in the romanance languages BEFORE it was added into English. Nobody is claiming the og people called themselves "jews", because they obviously didn't speak english... but in modern english, the term Jew is the correct one, so you're arguing a moot point.

FYI, If OG titles is of the utmost importance to you, they didn't call their land Israel or themselves hebrews either. They called it Yisra'el & themselves ivrim.

As for you having issues calling them Jews (Yehudim)... you might wanna try reading 1st Kings 11:31-39. Or are you aware that Israel split and became two separate kingdoms? The Northern kingdom was captured then dispersed, hence the 10 lost tribes of Israel. Whereas the Southern Kingdom (House of Judah) was the only one to return to the holy land after their captivity. Which is why the region was called Yehuda (Judea) during the time of Jesus. He and the Apostles had NO problem using the term Yehudim (Jews) btw.


2. Lol huh?

3. I give everything a chance until it is proven to be false. Hence why I do not take From Babylon to Timbuktu seriously. Dr windsor made alot of critical errors in his book, among them using alot of disinfo concerning history and offering personal interpretations as opposed to providing reputable sources for his conclusions.

4a. You DO realize the Jewish diaspora didn't happen overnight right? We are literally talking about well over 2,000 years of migration and/or expulsion from over 109 nations.

4b. Deuteronomy 28 says they would be sent to many countries and suffer indefinitely due to their disobediance. And they did. Jews were sent to Egypt, Greece, Italy, the Iberian Penisula, etc. In fact, all Roman slaves (I.e, not just Jews) were shipped to provinces that needed workers. Hence why Rome had such a huge navy in the mediterranean.

http://theoldrome.hubpages.com/hub/slavery-in-ancient-rome

Just so you can get a general Idea of what the Roman empire looked like then.

I assume you believe that my ancestors (African people fwiw) were the only slaves in history to be sent on ships. Guess you didn't read up on the Indigenous and Irish slaves who were also shipped against their will.

http://nativeamericanhistory.about....Untold-History-Of-American-Indian-Slavery.htm
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-irish-slave-trade-the-forgotten-white-slaves


5. Did you see the part where I said Ashkenaz was ALSO the name the Jews referred to germany as? Hence Ashkenazi jews.

Which shoulda been a clear indicator to you that I was well aware of Genesis 9:27 and Ashkenaz being Japheth's Grandson. It shoulda also made you understand that the correlation between Ashkenaz and the title Ashkenazi Jews has NOTHING to do with them being his direct descendants.

Now I have a couple questions for you. Do you assume that Yemenite Jews only trace their lineage to Yemen? Or Sephardic Jews to the Iberian Penisula?

And are you aware that the apostle Paul was a roman citizen born in Tarsus, which is in modern day Turkey? Cause If we use you're backwards logic we'd have to assume he was either Roman or Turkish and not an Israelite.

Edit: (Just in case my sarcasm goes over your head again, I know he was an Israelite)

Seriously, the amount of logical fallacies you commited in your argument is amazing. Work on those please.

Also, read Titus 3:9 and memorize it.

I can careless what you claim you are from which is irrelevant to the thread.

1. Jew was used by Europeans and of course most of the world has to go by European standards. Is it correct....for those who are Jews...yes. For those who of the Hebrew tribes....no. Israelite they were called in the land of Yisra'el. IS- ISIS, RA- Sun God, EL-former name of the God of Hebrews. Everyone knows of the split of Yudea and Yisrael. Nothing new.

2. I was speaking about the Sephardic which isn't the issue here in this thread.

3. You have only read books based off European scholars, not anyone else.

4a. The Empire of Rome already fell apart homie...the so called Dispora you speak of came later. It was former Roman Provinces...no longer Rome's property.

4b. Again the Bible states the Hebrews would suffer way differently from others. According to the book you down-played the description to fit your agenda. You even mentioned Rome having slaves of all kind. The problem here is you are isolating the issue but naming everything except for the facts. Slavery was all over Europe including Greece. When did the Irish ever speak out on being the "Chosen People" because they were slaves on ships. You are trying to hard it's obvious you are picking and choosing what you want to fit your agenda....period. Too bad it isn't working.

5. Yes I saw what you said about German Jews....next. So Ashkenaz and Ashkenazi aren't the same thing because what? There is a I at the end. You have yet to show proof that isn't the same group. Do you Yiddish isn't a Hebrew concept. Ashkenazis speak Yiddish( Which is Slav) because it fits the heritage of where they are from originally Turkic origin.

Apostle Paul....

 

[Kritic]

arguing details with these devils is a waste of time. they'll only bring more sh1t to try and confuse you. they know to avoid niccas like me cause they know we won't even give them a


look at how they around deal issues..

they prey on the ignorant. when I smacked that yamaka he left me alone....

 

[Czar]

I can careless what you claim you are from which is irrelevant to the thread.

1. Jew was used by Europeans and of course most of the world has to go by European standards. Is it correct....for those who are Jews...yes. For those who of the Hebrew tribes....no. Israelite they were called in the land of Yisra'el. IS- ISIS, RA- Sun God, EL-former name of the God of Hebrews. Everyone knows of the split of Yudea and Yisrael. Nothing new.

2. I was speaking about the Sephardic which isn't the issue here in this thread.

3. You have only read books based off European scholars, not anyone else.

4a. The Empire of Rome already fell apart homie...the so called Dispora you speak of came later. It was former Roman Provinces...no longer Rome's property.

4b. Again the Bible states the Hebrews would suffer way differently from others. According to the book you down-played the description to fit your agenda. You even mentioned Rome having slaves of all kind. The problem here is you are isolating the issue but naming everything except for the facts. Slavery was all over Europe including Greece. When did the Irish ever speak out on being the "Chosen People" because they were slaves on ships. You are trying to hard it's obvious you are picking and choosing what you want to fit your agenda....period. Too bad it isn't working.

5. Yes I saw what you said about German Jews....next. So Ashkenaz and Ashkenazi aren't the same thing because what? There is a I at the end. You have yet to show proof that isn't the same group. Do you Yiddish isn't a Hebrew concept. Ashkenazis speak Yiddish( Which is Slav) because it fits the heritage of where they are from originally Turkic origin.

Apostle Paul....

1. You show how green you are in regards to scripture, history, linguistics and etymology with every post.

Hosea 1:6-7

"And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Lo-ruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away. But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the Lord their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.

Also read Zechariah 12

According to scripture Israel was done away with and only Judah was left standing until they suffered the same fate due to their disobediance (As predicted by Isaiah 1-10). Only the Messiah unifies them again (Isaiah 11) which he already did, in him (New Testament)

LOL @ Isis, Ra and El. Funny, considering you just admitted they were called YISRA'EL...

Btw, Isis is Aset in the ancient Egyptian language, and Egypt/Kemet didn't worship El, which was a generic term used by both the ancient Hebrews AND the Canaanites for their respective deities. Just as both used the title Ba'al as well, which means master/husband.

But anyways, why are YOU calling them Hebrews? If that specific term was created in the Greek language? (i.e Hebraios)? Contradiction much?


2. It's an issue when you make reference to "European" jews, as if Sephardic Jews don't fall under that same category. Many Sephardic Jews migrated to Ashkenaz (Germany) after being expelled from the Iberian Peninsula in 1492 and in turn became Ashkenazi Jews themselves.

3. I base my knowledge off facts. You base it off speculation and assumption. As a former BHI, I've read everything from Hebrewisms of West Africa (which ironically was written by a eurocentric white man), FBTT, The 13th Tribe, Egypt light of the world, etc, etc. We were only allowed to read hand picked literature in the UPK, forced to use the "elders" interpretation of scripture and could not question anything we were being taught, which is typical of most cults. I'm sure you're familiar with all those things, seeing as you subscribe to them.

4a. You can't be serious. You do realize that was a map of the Roman empire during 1st century AD? 500 years BEFORE the western empire fell.

4b. Nope... the bible says they would be scattered among the nations (Deut 28:64), but it also says they would be captured by a nation they knew not, who's language they wouldn't understand (Deut 28:49). A nation who would swoop down like an eagle and capture them AND their King. (Deut 28:33)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquila_(Roman)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquilifer

The eagle was the national symbol of Rome and it's army. The Hebrews didn't know Rome nor it's language until the 1st century BCE. Jews were scattered all throughout the world. Now before you go making correlations with many nations being involved in African slavery (Including Africans themselves), and the U.S using an eagle as it's national symbol, you fail to realize that the U.S wasn't even a nation until 1776... 300 years INTO the transatlantic slave trade. Deu 28:68 also says they would be sent back to Egypt on ships (Deut 28:68), which is exactly what Rome did to the Jews in 70 AD. (Josephus, War of the Jews, Book 6, Ch 9, Section 2).



....Oh and, Germany also used the eagle as it's symbol. Hmmm

And you completely missed the point of the indigenous and irish slaves example. It was meant to point out that slavery wasn't only exclusive to africans. That and, those West Africans were NOT the OG Israelites as you're trying to imply. And if by some miracle they were, who was their King? Ftr, you do know the Herodian Dynasty was the ruling class of Judea during 70 AD? (Hence, King Herod the great, King Herod Agrippa, etc)

The chosen people, according to the New Testament, are all those who accept the messiah into their hearts as lord and savior. New covenant, new rules. Physical lineage saves NO ONE. Only grace through faith accomplishes that (Ephesians 2:8). Read Romans 3:29, Romans 9:6-8, Romans 10:1-4, Romans 11:25-27, Galatians 3, Romans 2:28-29, Acts 10, Acts 11:1-18.



5. Did you know that hebrew had 3 DIFFERENT dialects prior to the messiah? So which do you subscribe to? Proto-semitic? Paleo Hebrew? Late Semitic?

Furthermore, did you know the Falashas speak Ge'ez. The Igbos speak Igboid. The Lemba spoke Kalanga, and now speak Venda. All those groups proclaim to be jews, yet none of those languages is hebrew.

And since you danced around the Apostle Paul question, let's use one from Old Testament times... Are you aware that many Hebrews were born in Egypt, Persia, Assyria, Babylon and Greece before the 1st century? Soooooo, did that automatically make them Egyptians, Persians, Assyrians, Babylonians and Grecians? Or were they still Hebrews regardless of where they were born?

Lol let's see how good your logic and reasoning skills are.

 

[Czar]

arguing details with these devils is a waste of time. they'll only bring more sh1t to try and confuse you. they know to avoid niccas like me cause they know we won't even give them a


look at how they around deal issues..

they prey on the ignorant. when I smacked that yamaka he left me alone....

1 Corinthians 14:38

"But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant."

That's why I left you alone. Besides, I already exposed your lack of knowledge in here.

 

[Kritic]

nicca, you left me alone cause you don't want it with me . anyone that knows the bible and looks at you as a disinfo agent clearly sees your devish ways. fuq you and all your abrahamaic war religions... that's my stance. zionists confused all those religions i can't be part of any of them..

 

[ill]

@Czar you know your shyt. props on your education.

 

[JuvenileHell]

I'm like Scarface sniffin cocaine holdin' an m16

 

[thekingsmen]

1. You show how green you are in regards to scripture, history, linguistics and etymology with every post.

Hosea 1:6-7

"And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Lo-ruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away. But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the Lord their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.

Also read Zechariah 12

According to scripture Israel was done away with and only Judah was left standing until they suffered the same fate due to their disobediance (As predicted by Isaiah 1-10). Only the Messiah unifies them again (Isaiah 11) which he already did, in him (New Testament)

LOL @ Isis, Ra and El. Funny, considering you just admitted they were called YISRA'EL...

Btw, Isis is Aset in the ancient Egyptian language, and Egypt/Kemet didn't worship El, which was a generic term used by both the ancient Hebrews AND the Canaanites for their respective deities. Just as both used the title Ba'al as well, which means master/husband.

But anyways, why are YOU calling them Hebrews? If that specific term was created in the Greek language? (i.e Hebraios)? Contradiction much?


2. It's an issue when you make reference to "European" jews, as if Sephardic Jews don't fall under that same category. Many Sephardic Jews migrated to Ashkenaz (Germany) after being expelled from the Iberian Peninsula in 1492 and in turn became Ashkenazi Jews themselves.

3. I base my knowledge off facts. You base it off speculation and assumption. As a former BHI, I've read everything from Hebrewisms of West Africa (which ironically was written by a eurocentric white man), FBTT, The 13th Tribe, Egypt light of the world, etc, etc. We were only allowed to read hand picked literature in the UPK, forced to use the "elders" interpretation of scripture and could not question anything we were being taught, which is typical of most cults. I'm sure you're familiar with all those things, seeing as you subscribe to them.

4a. You can't be serious. You do realize that was a map of the Roman empire during 1st century AD? 500 years BEFORE the western empire fell.

4b. Nope... the bible says they would be scattered among the nations (Deut 28:64), but it also says they would be captured by a nation they knew not, who's language they wouldn't understand (Deut 28:49). A nation who would swoop down like an eagle and capture them AND their King. (Deut 28:33)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquila_(Roman)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquilifer

The eagle was the national symbol of Rome and it's army. The Hebrews didn't know Rome nor it's language until the 1st century BCE. Jews were scattered all throughout the world. Now before you go making correlations with many nations being involved in African slavery (Including Africans themselves), and the U.S using an eagle as it's national symbol, you fail to realize that the U.S wasn't even a nation until 1776... 300 years INTO the transatlantic slave trade. Deu 28:68 also says they would be sent back to Egypt on ships (Deut 28:68), which is exactly what Rome did to the Jews in 70 AD. (Josephus, War of the Jews, Book 6, Ch 9, Section 2).

Here's Roman historian Munter talking about it.

"Now that Betar had been captured, everything came under Human control, while Palestine [Judah] was reduced to a desolate mound. Captives were sold into slavery in numbers too great to count. First they were brought to the grand annual market at the Terebinth-Eloh tree in Hebron, or in the words of Hyranumous, to the Tent-Ohel of Abraham near Hebron. Each slave sold for the price of a horse. Those captives who were not sold there were brought to the market place in Azza [Gaza] which, because of the great multitudes of slaves who were sold there, was called Hadrian’s market place. And those who were still not sold there were herded into ships and were taken to Egypt. Many died in transit, whether by starvation or by shipwreck, while many also were killed by cruel masters." -Primordia Eccl. Africanae, pp. 85f,113.

....Oh and, Germany also used the eagle as it's symbol. Hmmm

And you completely missed the point of the indigenous and irish slaves example. It was meant to point out that slavery wasn't only exclusive to africans. That and, those West Africans were NOT the OG Israelites as you're trying to imply. And if by some miracle they were, who was their King? Ftr, you do know the Herodian Dynasty was the ruling class of Judea during 70 AD? (Hence, King Herod the great, King Herod Agrippa, etc)

The chosen people, according to the New Testament, are all those who accept the messiah into their hearts as lord and savior. New covenant, new rules. Physical lineage saves NO ONE. Only grace through faith accomplishes that (Ephesians 2:8). Read Romans 3:29, Romans 9:6-8, Romans 10:1-4, Romans 11:25-27, Galatians 3, Romans 2:28-29, Acts 10, Acts 11:1-18.



5. Did you know that hebrew had 3 DIFFERENT dialects prior to the messiah? So which do you subscribe to? Proto-semitic? Paleo Hebrew? Late Semitic?

Furthermore, did you know the Falashas speak Ge'ez. The Igbos speak Igboid. The Lemba spoke Kalanga, and now speak Venda. All those groups proclaim to be jews, yet none of those languages is hebrew.

And since you danced around the Apostle Paul question, let's use one from Old Testament times... Are you aware that many Hebrews were born in Egypt, Persia, Assyria, Babylon and Greece before the 1st century? Soooooo, did that automatically make them Egyptians, Persians, Assyrians, Babylonians and Grecians? Or were they still Hebrews regardless of where they were born?

Lol let's see how good your logic and reasoning skills are.

You are truly all over the place with what you want to say. Stick to the verses that mention the Hebrews and those claiming to be them. Side-tracking people with other things is what you are doing. You don't mention the Hebrews looks, culture, their suffrage in the bible but some maps and some quotes about where they went after.

1. No one said Hebrews worshiped Isis and Ra. This is the name of it modern terms for the land. Btw....stop with this condescending verbiage you are using like I don't know where this stuff originated from. Languages of the older years did intertwine, so did their gods.

2. You like showing me maps of places in Europe where the Jews went( like they traveled that far from Yudea) . I never said they didn't inter-twine, many didn't. The map(many of them )which was created to fit dates of history off assumption. You need facts, records my friend. You don't have. None of the records claim The Dan Tribe went here, Judah went Here, etc. If the records are there what tribe is the Ashkenazi of?

3. I subscribe to literature that fits the times and dates and the history of Ashkenazis being part of the 12 Tribes doesn't fit the dates or times. Matter of fact history has proven that many Hebrews of the tribes didn't go to far. They ended up in places not far but changed their religion.

4. Roman Empire fell around 476 A.D. how is your map 500 years before that if it mentions dates after it? Around 500 A.D. Jews showed up in Europe....Rome Empire fell already. Next.

4b.. What's sad is that you are taking pieces of Deuteronomy in places to fit them in your agenda. Try examining the whole verses addressed to their punishment. I will expose you later today on that.

4c. It's sad that you keep derailing the subject by bringing up other pieces of history irrelevant to the convo. Again irrelevant history to this thread....but The Eagle wasn't just a symbol of Rome ...The Eagle or Bird was a esoteric symbol all over the ancient world. Yes languages, yes.

You have beaten the bush too far my friend. I will expose why you avoid speaking on what is describe in the bible as their physical appearances, their punishment, their curses, etc. This is why you consider Israel today to uphold the lies you present.

 

[Czar]

You are truly all over the place with what you want to say. Stick to the verses that mention the Hebrews and those claiming to be them. Side-tracking people with other things is what you are doing. You don't mention the Hebrews looks, culture, their suffrage in the bible but some maps and some quotes about where they went after.

1. No one said Hebrews worshiped Isis and Ra. This is the name of it modern terms for the land. Btw....stop with this condescending verbiage you are using like I don't know where this stuff originated from. Languages of the older years did intertwine, so did their gods.

2. You like showing me maps of places in Europe where the Jews went( like they traveled that far from Yudea) . I never said they didn't inter-twine, many didn't. The map(many of them )which was created to fit dates of history off assumption. You need facts, records my friend. You don't have. None of the records claim The Dan Tribe went here, Judah went Here, etc. If the records are there what tribe is the Ashkenazi of?

3. I subscribe to literature that fits the times and dates and the history of Ashkenazis being part of the 12 Tribes doesn't fit the dates or times. Matter of fact history has proven that many Hebrews of the tribes didn't go to far. They ended up in places not far but changed their religion.

4. Roman Empire fell around 476 A.D. how is your map 500 years before that if it mentions dates after it? Around 500 A.D. Jews showed up in Europe....Rome Empire fell already. Next.

4b.. What's sad is that you are taking pieces of Deuteronomy in places to fit them in your agenda. Try examining the whole verses addressed to their punishment. I will expose you later today on that.

4c. It's sad that you keep derailing the subject by bringing up other pieces of history irrelevant to the convo. Again irrelevant history to this thread....but The Eagle wasn't just a symbol of Rome ...The Eagle or Bird was a esoteric symbol all over the ancient world. Yes languages, yes.

You have beaten the bush too far my friend. I will expose why you avoid speaking on what is describe in the bible as their physical appearances, their punishment, their curses, etc. This is why you consider Israel today to uphold the lies you present.

Once again, you continue to show how misinformed you are in regards to linguistics, etymology, and of course, history. Along with dancing around my questions yet again.

I find it ironic how the stuff you're accusing me of is exactly what you've been doing all throughout this thread

I've clearly mentioned things such as the Spanish and Portuguese inquisition, the forced conversions to Islam and Catholicism, the massacres, the expulsions. I didn't even get into the worldwide discrimination, the generalizations and slandering of the people based on conspiracy theories. Guess you only see what you like.

But anyways..

1. So you present a straw man argument, then get upset when it gets debunked? Lol interesting.

I guess we should all stop eating cereal, seeing as the term derives from the Greek god Ceres. Then again, I don't think you use much logic in any of your disjointed conspiracy theories concerning modern language. Perhaps you should stop speaking to me in English since it's "Eurocentric" and has a buncha hidden "pagan" buzzwords

Fwiw, the very term Jew implies one who descends from the tribe of Judah or even the Judean region. It is also applied to those who practice the Jewish faith.

...And it isn't exclusive to skintone.



Which is why the Lemba Jews actually share the same DNA as the Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.


2. You know, it's perfectly fine to refer to Yehudah(not "Yudea") as Judea. We're speaking modern English after all. You're not going to get struck down by lightning for doing so.

Here's the problem with your all your arguments. They're absolutely subjective due to your racial bias. They cripple your ability to use critical thinking. I've posted facts in here, yet you've openly rejected them based on the premise of skintone alone. Which is amazingly dense on your part. But that's neither here nor there.

3. You subscribe to subjectivity. No matter how much evidence gets tossed your way you're going to reject it based on personal bias as opposed to tangible facts. When the straw man arguments fail, out comes your utter denial.

Lol and they didn't go far huh? Let's take a look at a map again.

4a. I overcalculated the time frame. The Western empire fell a little over 400 years after the siege of 70 AD. There were already Jewish communities in Rome, Greece and Spain by then, since you claim they didn't hit Europe until 500 AD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...n_Empire#Jews_in_Rome_and_Romans_in_Jerusalem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Greece
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain




And last time I checked, the Byzantine empire (aka the Eastern Roman empire) lasted until the middle ages. Not to mention

This map of the Roman Empire (circa 1 AD) didn't have any dates on it.

Then again...

http://www.centuryone.com/rmnwrd.html

You might wanna step your historical knowledge up.


4b. Oh, the irony.

So you're going to expose how little you actually know some more? Perfect. I'm dying to actually get to the good stuff and tear apart more of your baseless assumptions. I lost years learning and preaching the same disinfo you're using in here. I literally know every possible angle you're gonna try & use. I also have every logical and reputable rebuttal to debunk it all.


4c. I find it hilarious that now I'M derailing this thread, when you came in here trying to be a know it all when I fact checked someone else.

The eagle wasn't exclusive to Rome historically... but those passages were talking about them specifically.

Again, I provided concrete evidence, historical accounts and scripture itself... and you provide nothing. You can disagree with me til the cows come home, but I have facts. You have speculation.

Speaking of physical appearance, mind pointing out why the bible describes the Israelites as admoniy and not shachor?

Anyways, I cant wait for you to bring up Amos 9:7 (which is talking about sin, not skintone btw) Moses and the Egyptians plus a bunch of other stuff I'm sure you had no trouble finding on angelfire.

FWIW, I roll with what the bible identifies as Israel today, and that's all the believers in Jesus collectively. Soon as one accepts him into their heart as lord and savior they are counted as his chosen people. Again, read Romans 2:28-29, Romans 3:29, Romans 9:6-8, Romans 10:1-4, Romans 11:25-27, Galatians 3, , Acts 10 and Acts 11:1-18.

 

[thekingsmen]

Wow all of Rome was gone with the new map you got there. So here what is going to be addressed since you continue to drop nothing but the same crap without exactly answering the questions. Who are the Ashkenazi's....what tribe?

Locations of Tribes...
And the sons of Ham, Cush & Mizraim & Phut & Canaan. "Genesis 10:6".

1. CUSH (Ethiopians / Cushytes & Nubians),
2. MIZRAIM (Egyptians / Khemet),
3. PHUT (Ancient Somalia),
4. CANAAN (Canaanite, the original inhabitants of the land of Israel)

In Psalm 78:51, Egypt is called "The House of ham (Khawm)."

"...AND SMOTE ALL THE FIRSTBORN IN EGYPT; THE TABERNACLES (HOUSE) OF HAM (KHAWM)."

Psalm 105:23,27 -- 23 "ISRAEL ALSO CAME INTO EGYPT; AND SOJOURNED IN THE LAND OF HAM (KHAWM)."

Verse 27 "THEY SHOWED HIS SIGNS AMONG THEM, AND WONDERS IN THE LAND OF HAM (KHAWM)."


Amos Chpt 9 Verse 7

ARE YOU NOT AS CHILDREN OF THE ETHIOPIANS UNTO ME, O CHILDREN OF ISRAEL?"...



Verse 27: "...And he arose and went: and behold, a man of ETHIOPIA an eunuch of great authority... who had come to Jerusalem for to WORSHIP."

In verse 29, The Spirit tells Phillip to go and JOIN HIMSELF TO THE CHARIOT OF THIS ETHIOPIAN.

Verse 30, tells us that Philip heard him reading SCRIPTURE (Hebrew Scripture) about Yahshuah, (erroneously called Jesus) which he didn't understand.

In verses 34-36, Philip explains the meaning of the scripture and then preaches Yahshuah to him,

and in verse 38, Phillip baptizes him.



The Description of the Hebrews...

Lamentations 5:10 reads:
"OUR SKIN WAS BLACK LIKE AN OVEN BECAUSE OF THE TERRIBLE FAMINE."


Songs of Solomon
5:2 I sleep, but my heart waketh: it is the voice of my beloved that knocketh, saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my LOCKS with the drops of the night.

11 His head is as the most fine gold, his LOCKS are bushy, and black as a raven.

The Curse.....


Leviticus 13:2 states:
"When a man shall have in the skin of his flesh a rising, a scab, or bright spot and it be in the skin of his flesh like the plague of leprosy. Then he shall be brought to Aaron, the priest, or to one of the sons of the priest".

verse 4: If the bright spot be WHITE in the skin of his flesh, the priest shall shut up him that has the plague seven days.

Verse 6: And the priest shall look on him again the seventh day: and behold, if the plague be somewhat DARK, and the plague spread not in the skin, the priest shall pronounce him clean: it is but a scab; and he shall wash his clothes and be clean".



Hmmm I wonder who gets that? Ashkenazi's or ...

Who has Albino Children....Ashkenazi's or Black People?


The Punishment....
Leviticus Chapter 26

(17) And I will set my face against you and YOU SHALL BE SLAIN BEFORE YOUR ENEMIES; THEY THAT HATE YOU SHALL REIGN (rule) OVER YOU and you shall flee when none pursue you.


VERSE 37: AND THEY SHALL FALL ONE UPON ANOTHER, AS IT WERE BEFORE A SWORD, WHEN NONE PURSUETH: AND YOU SHALL HAVE NO POWER TO STAND BEFORE YOUR ENEMIES.

VERSE 38: YOU SHALL PERISH AMONG THE HEATHEN AND THE LAND OF YOUR ENEMIES SHALL EAT YOU UP.

Hmmm it seems these verses are towards a group which is attacked by it's enemies and can't defend themselves. Is that why Colonialism still exist in Africa?

Deuteronomy 28:

And you (Israel) shall become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword (scornful nicknames) among ALL nations whither YAH shall lead you. Who has more demeaning names than Black People?

Verse16: CURSED SHALL YOU BE IN THE CITY, AND CURSED SHALL YOU BE IN THE FIELD.

Massive murder and crime in Inner Cities and rural towns with Black Folks.

VERSE 22: YAH SHALL SMITE YOU WITH A CONSUMPTION AND WITH A FEVER, AND WITH AN INFLAMMATION , AND WITH EXTREME BURNING AND WITH THE SWORD AND WITH BLASTING . AND WITH MILDEW AND THEY SHALL PURSUE YOU UNTIL YOU PERISH.

Alcoholics, drug addicts, STD's is high in the Black Community as well in Hispanic Communities. Rare in the European Jewish Community.

VERSE 25: YHWH SHALL CAUSE YOU TO BE SMITTEN BEFORE YOUR ENEMIES: YOU SHALL GO OUT ONE WAY AGAINST THEM AND FLEE SEVEN WAYS BEFORE THEM: AND SHALL BE REMOVED INTO ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THE EARTH.

VERSE 28: YHWH SHALL SMITE YOU WITH MADNESS , AND BLINDNESS AND ASTONISHMENT OF HEART .

VERSE 30: YOU SHALL BETROTH A WIFE, AND ANOTHER MAN SHALL LIE WITH HER: YOU SHALL BUILD AN HOUSE AND YOU SHALL NOT DWELL THEREIN, YOU SHALL PLANT A VINEYARD AND SHALL NOT GATHER THE GRAPES THEREOF.

Father-less households, women having children by other men, married couples cheating, little to no savings for money is high in the Black Community. Show me examples in the Ashkenazi community.


None of these descriptions in the Bible itself fit the people you claim are descendents....they are not. You haven't proven them to be anyways.

 

[Czar]

Anyways, I cant wait for you to bring up Amos 9:7 (which is talking about sin, not skintone btw) Moses and the Egyptians plus a bunch of other stuff I'm sure you had no trouble finding on angelfire.

And just like clockwork...

http://www.angelfire.com/ill/hebrewisrael/printpages/phys.html

@thekingsmen literally copied and pasted his rebuttal off that angelfire page word for word. Just as I knew he would.

Well then, since I know you didn't actually research the stuff you posted, lemme school you on how easy it is to tear apart from someone who has.



1.) Last time I checked, Israel descended through Shem's line, not Ham's. Notice how it says israel came INTO Egypt. Or are you forgetting Joseph (along with the Pharaoh) invited his father Jacob and his relatives to come down into Egypt. (Genesis 45:16-47:27)



2.) Anyone with half a brain knows the Hebrews intermixed with many different groups.

The Hamites are an obvious one. We know this since Joseph's sons Ephraim and Manasseh had an Egyptian mother. Sheshan had no sons, and was forced to continue the line through his daughter via marriage to his Egyptian servant. Moses married a Cushyte. Judah married a Canaanite.

And despite all that....

Exodus 12:38

And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.

Now why would there be a need to refer to them as a mixed multitude if they were supposedly the same color and ethnicity as the Egyptians?

Did you know the Hebrews also intermixed with Persians as well? (Book of Esther).

Along with the Greeks

Acts 16:1-5

"Paul went on also to Derbe and to Lystra, where there was a disciple named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer; but his father was a Greek."

And Romans

Acts 24:24

"And after certain days, when Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was a Jewess, he sent for Paul, and heard him concerning the faith in Christ."

Even to this day, Jews are a mixed people. Comprised of every ethnicity and shade you can think of.


3.) Taking Amos 9:7 outta context is just plain laughable ... since that passage is clearly talking about Israel's sin being comparable to the Cushytes/Ethiopians, not their skintone. Especially since skintone isn't implied once there. This becomes even more obvious once one reads the 6 verses before and after that one. Reading the passage in it's original Hebrew also verifies that.

Btw...

Jeremiah 13:23

Can an Ethiopian change his skin or a leopard its spots?
Then may you also do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

Now WHY would there be a need to point out a Ethiopian's skintone if they and the Hebrews were both supposedly "black nations"




4.) I find it amusing how you complain about things being distorted and used outta context... yet have no problem promoting agendas which do just that. Funny, cause Songs 5:11 also says Solomon's head was like pure gold. Guess you couldn't find a reach for that one.

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/songs/5-11.htm

^FYI, qevutstsoth and taltallim in that passage literally mean locks of hair, not dredlocks. Taltallim is normally rendered as curly or wavy.

http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/8534.htm
http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/6977.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lock_of_hair

In fact, all English bibles prior to the KJV used the words curly or wavy in songs 5:11, not bushy.

Ironically in the KJV, dazzling (tzach) is translated as white. Just goes to show you how trustworthy their translation is.

Last but not least, Songs 5:10 states:

"My lover is dazzling and Adom (red, ruddy). outstanding among ten thousand."

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/songs/5-10.htm
http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/122.htm

Adom=reddish skintone. Not white, but certainly not black. Especially since Solomon's lover, the shunammite women, literally refers to herself as black in Songs 1:5

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/songs/1-5.htm
http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/7838.htm




5.) Notice how when Phillip approached the Ethiopian Eunuch he didn't confuse him for a Hebrew? And vise versa?

But lemme toss another conspiracy theory you didn't C&P into the mix and debunk it thoroughly.

Acts 21:38 (Roman soliders question Paul)

"Are you not the Egyptian who some time ago stirred up a rebellion and led the four thousand assassins out into the wilderness?”

The premise is, since the Egyptians were originally black Paul had to have been black himself for them to confuse him for one.

Meanwhile... the Fayum mummy portraits say it all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayum_mummy_portraits

^This is what Egyptians looked like during the 1st-3rd century AD.

Or are you forgetting the part where Persia, Greece and Rome came through and crushed the buildings?

Egypt was a multi-cultural and multi-ethnic hub during the time of the apostles. Alexandria had the largest community of Jews outside the holy land at the time (1 million).

http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/text/philo/book36.html



6.) Let's examine Lamentations 5:10 a little closer

The word "black" there (Which is only translated as such in the KJV) is actually kamar, which means HOT in hebrew, not black.

http://biblesuite.com/hebrew/3648.htm

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/lamentations/5-10.htm

Every bible translation aside from the KJV translates that verse correctly

"Our skin has become HOT like an oven because of the burning of the famine."





7.) So, skin disease only appears white on black people?

8.) You do realize Deuteronomy and Leviticus were written BEFORE the Israelites fell into disobedience? Or are you conveniently leaving out the part where they were forced into captivity by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks and Romans?

I guess Jerusalem wasn't destroyed twice. Nor was it ever besieged, attacked, captured and recaptured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem

Nor were there any massacres that took place outside the holy land.


Oh and for the record.... Israel isn't Western Asian, African or European.

It is EVERYONE who believes in the messiah as lord and savior. Point blank.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

You nikkas love arguing about Jews.