ISIS (and related) "Official" Thread

[Kritic]

He studied at Tel Aviv’s Interdisciplinary Center at Herzliya (IDC) before beginning his career. Located on the same campus at the core of of IDCs philosophy is the International Institute for Counter Terrorism (IICT). Efraim Halevy, the former Director of Mossad, is a regular speaker at both the IICT and the IDC. The IICT liaises with Mossad specifically in relation to ‘Targeted Killings’ of jihadists and Hamas leaders.

we're not ready for this..
ever try to explain this shyt to a sheep and just give up and tell them to keep on believing the shyt thrown at them...

 

[FAH1223]

Good perspective on ISIS here

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/...4/9/the-islamic-stategroupisntevenagroup.html

 

[无名的]

@Brady Hoke's Artery removes 10 reputation points with the comment: worthless

You are such a bigger person than me that you are scared to come and debate me, so you troll your way through.

That's all you deserve.

 

[Kritic]

@Brady Hoke's Artery
have you been able to log on to ebay all day.... or has barack knocked me off for talkin shyt..

 

[thekingsmen]

That's all you deserve.

So you admitted you are scared...

 

[NotaPAWG]

Former CIA officer said US policies helped create Isis

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/politics/2014/09/turkey-usa-iraq-syria-isis-fuller.html

 

[无名的]

@Brady Hoke's Artery
have you been able to log on to ebay all day.... or has barack knocked me off for talkin shyt..

See... not everything is a conspiracy

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[Kritic]

See... not everything is a conspiracy

whole day i couldnt get on. i thought barack and the jews got me
i prayed to get back on and stop dissing him

when i got on i was back on my bullshyt

i thought barack hit me with the russian sactions

 

[Trajan]

whole day i couldnt get on. i thought barack and the jews got me
i prayed to get back on and stop dissing him

when i got on i was back on my bullshyt

i thought barack hit me with the russian sactions

This nikka right here. . .

 

[Ritzy Sharon]

There is a fervent Saudi attempt to isolate the phenomenon of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and to regard it as a phenomenon unrelated to elements in contemporary Arab political culture (or to American foreign policy legacy, for that matter).

All propagandists of Saudi princes are under strict orders to write (especially in English) and blame the ISIS phenomenon on various things (like on the “Arab soul” or “the Arab body politic” or “the Arab culture” or the “Syrian and Iranian regime” or the “arms of Hezbollah” or the “Arab mindset”, etc.). Yet, the effort is futile. ISIS, like al-Qaeda, is the product of the Wahhabi Saudi ideology. This ideology is behind the various jihadi terrorist organizations wreaking havoc around the world. But the US government is not blameless in this regard at all: it was the US doctrine during the Cold War (and later its sectarian plot in Iraq) which intersected with the Wahhabi ideology of Saudi Arabia to give birth to the jihadi monster.

ISIS and al-Qaeda share the same ideology of the Saudi royal family but they disagree on foreign policy. The story of Bin Laden was well-told: he was on best terms with all Saudi princes until the US invasion of Iraq and the decision by the Saudi royal family to allow the US to invite itself to invade various countries in the region. Prior to that, Bin Laden was a senior member of the political establishment of Saudi Arabia. The textbooks in ISIS-run areas rely on the same Wahhabi literature used in Saudi schools. Kitab al-Tawhid (the collection of strict and dubious Hadith and their interpretations by Mohammed ibn `Abdul-Wahab) is the “bible,” so to speak, for ISIS, al-Qaeda, and the House of Saud.

ISIS and al-Qaeda are similar and yet different in some regards, and below is a list of differences and similarities:

1) Al-Qaeda had a charismatic leader with oratorical skills. He was able to inspire fellow fanatics and young Arabs. ISIS, on the other hand, does not have a charismatic leader and its caliph failed in his first televised speech.

2) Al-Qaeda was centrally run by Bin Laden and his lieutenants while ISIS seems to have a collective leadership style organization.

3) In the distinctions of political parties by Maurice Duverger, al-Qaeda was an elite small organization seeking true believers, while ISIS (and hence its danger) is a mass party/army that wants to run countries.

4) Al-Qaeda specialized in spectacular attacks on Western targets while ISIS focuses on horror images to intimidate and achieve military victories. Don’t underestimate the fear that it instilled in the hearts of its enemies in Syria and Iraq.

5) ISIS focuses on the battle at home while Bin Laden focused on the fight with the US and West.


6) They both share the Wahhabi ideology.

7) Both abhor the religious establishments of al-Azhar and in Riyadh.

8) Both can easily justify murdering fellow Muslims.

9) Both are youth-oriented in their online (or TV) propaganda operations.

10) Al-Qaeda relied on old style media, while ISIS focuses on new media.

11) ISIS is obsessed with campaigning among youth.

12) ISIS has several distinct regional organizations in order to avoid the fate of al-Qaeda after Bin Laden went into hiding and then death.

13) ISIS uses simple language on social media, while Bin Laden favored the old style of Arabic speech-making (his first speech after September 11 was an exception and it worked in his favor among Arab public opinion.)

14) ISIS does not fault al-Qaeda in principle but faults the current leadership of al-Qaeda (see the letter from Abu Mohammed Al-`Adnani to Ayman al-Dhawahiri). Al-Qaeda now faults ISIS in principle.

15) Al-Qaeda was born with the full blessing of the Saudi intelligence service (and with the consent of the US during the Cold War) while ISIS developed in opposition to Saudi rule (see the studies by Saudi dissident Badr al-Ibrahim).

16) ISIS wants to take over the state (and expand it to be integrated into its caliphate) while al-Qaeda wants to subvert the state with no ultimate goal.

17) ISIS wants to impose Islamic laws and regulations while al-Qaeda is too focused on military jihad activities.

18) ISIS went back to “Islam-is-the-solution” while al-Qaeda sticks to bombings-are-the-solution.

19) ISIS has a financial brain, while al-Qaeda was reliant on the largesse of Bin Laden.

20) ISIS addresses itself to the citizens in areas under its control while al-Qaeda addresses itself to the ummah.

21) ISIS and al-Qaeda are quick to resort to takfir.

22) Al-Qaeda sought allies among jihadi groups while ISIS seems keen on alienating fellow jihadi groups.

23) Al-Qaeda focused on foreign policy while ISIS focuses on domestic policy.


24) Both al-Qaeda and ISIS are not keen on antagonizing Israel.

25) Al-Qaeda was a short-range threat to the region, while ISIS seems like a long-term threat to the region.


26) The very creation of al-Qaeda and later of ISIS took place in the context of Western glamorization of Islamist violence and terrorism (first in Afghanistan and later in Syria).

27) Both organizations are internationalist.

28) Al-Qaeda’s literature seemed less hostile to the House of Saud than ISIS, and Abu Mohammed Al-`Adnani pointed this out in his famous letter to Dhawahiri.

29) ISIS, despite its literature claims, is more pragmatic in its recruitment: “former” Ba’thists form an important component in its leadership ranks.

30) Both ISIS and al-Qaeda benefited from direct or indirect Gulf funding

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/isis-and-al-qaeda-similarities-and-differences

 

[newarkhiphop]

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/isis-and-al-qaeda-similarities-and-differences

I'd say they're more influenced by Qutbism if anything. Many of AQ leaders said they were influenced by the teachings of Sayiid Qutb and Qutbists/Wahhabists don't get along breh breh. The most prominent modern "wahabbist" scholars such as Ibn Baz or Uthaymeen (Rahimahum Allah) were against AQ and these types of groups. And I don't really think jihadist groups have a good opinion o Al Saud anyway

 

[methodz]

Good perspective on ISIS here

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/...4/9/the-islamic-stategroupisntevenagroup.html

Jesus christ, this guy is wrong on every single level, this is Qatar talking through him. ISIS, as of 2013 has had tons of International jihadists joining it in Iraq and Syria, look at the documentaries or videos, their accents tell it, their looks, hell, we know for a fact that there are about 10k Saudis and 10k Turks within ISIS, let alone North Africans, Chechens, Pakistanis, I'd say the majority are Iraqis but not by much.

Also, ISIS was created way before this recent revolution, it was known as Al Qaeda in Iraq and was brutal in Iraq against the Americans but mostly against Shia and Christian, they split up from AQ in early 2013 and basically started using the new label.

Also, obviously if their goal is power sharing in Iraq, they're not going through valid means, I doubt the government will listen while they'Re massacring every single minority, this guy is a fukking horrible reporter speaking the Qatari and Saudi dialogue. fukk his ignorance.

 

[FAH1223]

Jesus christ, this guy is wrong on every single level, this is Qatar talking through him. ISIS, as of 2013 has had tons of International jihadists joining it in Iraq and Syria, look at the documentaries or videos, their accents tell it, their looks, hell, we know for a fact that there are about 10k Saudis and 10k Turks within ISIS, let alone North Africans, Chechens, Pakistanis, I'd say the majority are Iraqis but not by much.

Also, ISIS was created way before this recent revolution, it was known as Al Qaeda in Iraq and was brutal in Iraq against the Americans but mostly against Shia and Christian, they split up from AQ in early 2013 and basically started using the new label.

Also, obviously if their goal is power sharing in Iraq, they're not going through valid means, I doubt the government will listen while they'Re massacring every single minority, this guy is a fukking horrible reporter speaking the Qatari and Saudi dialogue. fukk his ignorance.

Do you think they are as monolithic as everyone says they are?

I mean it is true that Saddam's former army men have played a huge role for ISIS as well as their ability to steal US weapons from the Iraqi army and getting Sunnis on their side

 

[Digga38]

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/747907


Ramzan Kadyrov leader of chechnya

“Terrorists from Syria who call themselves the Islamic State expressed a childish threat to start a war in Chechnya and in the Caucasus. They talk only what their masters from the Western secret services tell them to talk,” he said.


cant be anymore obvious that the West is using ISIS to fight there battles by proxy......