Whyte plays game..he will see Fury in Feb..Ruiz will fight him next year if he beats Joshua..Uysk might fght him next year...
Joshua? Its life or death for him in the rematch. He loses that fight? He wont be viewed in the same way ever again.
is Wilder underrated?
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Joshua? Its life or death for him in the rematch. He loses that fight? He wont be viewed in the same way ever again.
underrated??!! 
Yet no one will mention the bums Marciano fought to pad that record. I dont even know why that CAC is even mentioned among the greats. White privilege is a motherfukker
reservoirdogs
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I see where you coming from with Marciano but Marciano still had an easily better record than Wilder, the two are not comparable, really.
He beat guys like Layne or LaStarza in their primes and those guys would be better than any of Wilder's win so far, the "old guys" he beat too would be easily the best wins of Wilder's ever, those old guys being Moore, Louis, Charles and Walcott. None of them were shot to pieces when they lost to Marciano either, they beat legit dudes on their way to the Marciano fight even if they were past prime. Moore had a great series of wins before the Marciano fight, Walcott was coming off beating Charles twice, Louis though certainly past prime had a solid series of wins before Marciano...
It's true that he padded his record with gimme fights but who are we kidding here comparing his resume to Wilder's as some proof of double standards?
You can find much better examples of white privilege in boxing than comparing Wilder to Marciano
He beat guys like Layne or LaStarza in their primes and those guys would be better than any of Wilder's win so far, the "old guys" he beat too would be easily the best wins of Wilder's ever, those old guys being Moore, Louis, Charles and Walcott. None of them were shot to pieces when they lost to Marciano either, they beat legit dudes on their way to the Marciano fight even if they were past prime. Moore had a great series of wins before the Marciano fight, Walcott was coming off beating Charles twice, Louis though certainly past prime had a solid series of wins before Marciano...
It's true that he padded his record with gimme fights but who are we kidding here comparing his resume to Wilder's as some proof of double standards?
You can find much better examples of white privilege in boxing than comparing Wilder to Marciano
Not sure how that's worked out, he rejected 120 mil deal including the AJ fights, rejected a career high offer to fight Whyte and has ducked him and said to him about freezing him out and fought Fury and by most people got beat in the first fight.
reservoirdogs
Superstar
I don't think he is scared of Whyte or anything but he definitely had the opportunities to take those fights, only that they were suppose to be on DAZN and his team doesn't let him fight there.
He's a free agent on paper, "his own boss" so if that's true that shouldn't have been a hold up.
Similar situation with Farmer vs Davis. Farmer's team offered more money but Davis' side didn't let it happen on DAZN saying Davis is the "A side" but they offered less money to stage it on FOX/Sho or whatever so it's kind of an impossible situation to work out.
In case of AJ vs Wilder they can't say Wilder is the A side though, they just simply turned that down, didn't want Wilder to cross over.
to be underrated you have to some other intangible besides a one hitter quitter..to put it lightly he's a very flawed fighter
his record doesn't scream underrated either before luis ortiz....the man's best wins were bermane stiverne and siarhei liakhovich..to date these are the only champions hes defeated...he hasnt unified or attempted to unify the HW belts...and his lone fight to be gain lineal distinction ended up a draw which he prolly should have lost
wlad damn near ruled the division..unified..over a decade and most ppl think he's overrated
wilder flaws prolly will never be fixed...he is who he is at this point at 34...but if he retains in this rematch he has to start beating more notable heavies in his generation
his record doesn't scream underrated either before luis ortiz....the man's best wins were bermane stiverne and siarhei liakhovich..to date these are the only champions hes defeated...he hasnt unified or attempted to unify the HW belts...and his lone fight to be gain lineal distinction ended up a draw which he prolly should have lost
wlad damn near ruled the division..unified..over a decade and most ppl think he's overrated
wilder flaws prolly will never be fixed...he is who he is at this point at 34...but if he retains in this rematch he has to start beating more notable heavies in his generation
UncleTomFord15
Veteran
Ortiz
Stiverne
Arreola
Spzilka
Breazele
And Fury (even tho it can highly be argued he lost)
Are all decent wins (draws) but Fury and Ortiz who were his best competition were out their prime, so idk
. I still wouldn't say he's overrated or a hype job or anything like that.
Stiverne
Arreola
Spzilka
Breazele
And Fury (even tho it can highly be argued he lost)
Are all decent wins (draws) but Fury and Ortiz who were his best competition were out their prime, so idk
. I still wouldn't say he's overrated or a hype job or anything like that.Yeah it's a weird 1, cause Wilder would be favourite in that fight so I don't know why he's rejected career high pay days to have that fight. He's definitely 100 percent done everything he can to avoid that fight. I think he doesn't want to fight big punchers too, I think he/his team have actively tried as much as they can to avoid big punchers cause he really doesn't want to get knocked out. Who's the 3 people he's ducked the most? AJ, Whyte and Wlad, all 3 had in common they can punch. It's like they don't want to damage the brand by risking getting knocked out. They cherry picked Fury (when he was at his weakest and they thought he was vulnerable) as he's not known as a puncher and a much older Ortiz who isn't known primarily for power either.
I think politics does play a role yeah but whatever it is he's greatly harmed his reputation and career, ducking Wlad was terrible because he can never get that back now, he'll always be the person who ducked Wlad for years, it's a shame. Even if he beats the others now will always be that question mark. He's taken the cowardly approach which leaves a bad taste, if he was bold he could have potentially been undisputed a long time ago and a living legend already. Now he's has just too many question marks cause his record his a false 1. I don't think it's simply the networks, I believe that plays a role but I think there's a pattern/plan behind his ducking too.
Ortiz
Stiverne
Arreola
Spzilka
Breazele
And Fury (even tho it can highly be argued he lost)
Are all decent wins (draws) but Fury and Ortiz who were his best competition were out their prime, so idk
Those aren't good wins, the only good win is arguably Ortiz.
I wouldn't say Wilder is a pure hype job either, I believe in his power for sure, but his level of opposition has been so low and he's desperately avoided fighting better fighters for so long.
Look at some of the competitions wins...
AJ beat Wlad, Parker, Povetkin, Whyte, Takam. Also Molina, Martin and Brezeale but in far less fights. The first 4 I mentioned are great wins.
Even Whyte has beaten Chisora, Rivas and Parker. In less fights also.
Wilder has 1 name he's beat that's credible in Ortiz. In many more fights.
Wlad in his career beat Povetkin, Pulev, Haye, Jennings,
Fury beat Wlad, Chisora and in reality Wilder in the first fight.
Wilder could beat Fury in the next fight though and that would be a good name on his record, if he does then he'd have Ortiz and Fury but he still has to fight better opposition consistently. Spzilka for example Chisora just banged out in 2 rounds.
Wilder can improve his record though as if he fights Fury again and wins this time and if Ruiz wins against AJ and he fights him and beats him then his record starts to improve even though he'd need more to be considered truly great.
Problem is this and much more should of already happened, find it a bit embarrassing he's fighting Ortiz again after already knocking him out when he rejected 120 mil deal to become undisputed champ he claimed he wanted but never signed for.
Wider right now could be the man and a global superstar, he could be undisputed and have gone down as 1 of the greatest of all time. Imagine if he had Wlad, AJ, Whyte and Ortiz already on his record. Then he'd truly go down as that if he'd beat them then added the likes of Ruiz, Dubois, Usyk etc. At the moment he's a hard puncher that ducked a lot of fights and beat an aging Ortiz with blood pressure issues. Now he's rematching him when he's even older instead of fighting top contenders which just find embarrassing. Ortiz being some guy that nobody wanted to fight is a myth, Ortiz record isn't great either, who's 3 names he's beat that are great? Ortiz also rejected fighting AJ and Whyte.
Just want to see him fight the top contenders but so far his whole career has been cherry picked, Fury was a cherry pick that went wrong, they admitted they picked him cause they thought he was vulnerable, they wanted to boost up Wilder's record with a name cause Fury was out of shape and coming off a long lay off. Now this bullshyt with Ortiz is a cherry pick, already knocked dude out, Ortiz is apparently a lot older than even his official age states too everyone says.
We could have been getting mega fights now instead of this rinse and repeat bullshyt. Wilder could fight be fighting Whyte now which would have been exciting and a really good name on Wilder's record should he win. The AJ fight could have happened ages ago, but he didn't want it cause he rejected more money than he's ever made in his whole career and life in 1 deal cause he didn't want to risk it. A scared fighter doesn't sit well with me.
Was thinking of Ali earlier, what made Ali the greatest was he fought nearly everyone. Ali in his career beat Foreman, Liston, Frasier, Spinks, Shavers, Norton, Cooper, Patterson, Moore, he went and beat hall of famers and some of the greatest of all time, he wasn't scared, people literally thought he would get killed vs Foreman, like dead , he still went in there and overcame the odds and won. He was the definition of a champion, that's why in perspective Wilder cant be underrated, some of the past fighters went in there and fought everybody of their era or nearly all of them. Wilder fought an old man with health issues, it's not comparable in context historically.
Look at someone like Lewis, he beat Vitali,Tyson,Tua, Hollyfeild, Briggs, Morrison, Bruno and many others. These legendary fighters weren't afraid to get in the ring with competition, Lewis wanted Bowe too.
Lewis had 44 career fights, to put this in perspective Wilder currently has 42, look at the VAST difference in their records. Soon Wilder will have 43 fights and no matter what happens will still only have 1 good name on his record. In conclusion this is conclusive Wilder's opposition level throughout his career so far has been abysmal, embarrassing and a disgrace. That's why boxing has struggled in U.S for a while, people want to see exciting fights not uneven fights of a huge 6'7 man knocking out a litany of bums and point blank refusing to fight the other top fighters despite being offered record high pay days.
Lewis had 44 career fights, to put this in perspective Wilder currently has 42, look at the VAST difference in their records. Soon Wilder will have 43 fights and no matter what happens will still only have 1 good name on his record. In conclusion this is conclusive Wilder's opposition level throughout his career so far has been abysmal, embarrassing and a disgrace. That's why boxing has struggled in U.S for a while, people want to see exciting fights not uneven fights of a huge 6'7 man knocking out a litany of bums and point blank refusing to fight the other top fighters despite being offered record high pay days.
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Only person wilder aint fight is AJ....Fukk yall want him to fight Lennox LewisWho the fukk has he even fought
Lewis retired a running ass nikka
Only person wilder aint fight is AJ....Fukk yall want him to fight Lennox Lewis
Can't be serious, he didn't fight Wlad, Whyte, Povetkin, Parker, Rivas, Pulev, Ruiz, Hrgovic, Joyce, Miller, there's loads of people he could have fought. Look at the rankings and I think he's only fought 2 of the top 15 with 1 win, AJ on the other hand has fought around 5 of the current top 15 in the governing bodies with 4 wins, and the 1 he lost he's rematching straight away, in far less fights. AJ has only had 23 fights and there's a huge difference in the records, 1 has went and fought people and the other ducked and ducked, AJ has even fought other fighters Wilder has refused to fight for record high pay days.
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Lewis retired a running ass nikka
Lewis' record in a similar number of fights is on another stratosphere than Wilder. He's on a whole other echelon in boxing. Look at the wins on each records.