Absolutely.
And Gronk being the GOAT TE doesn't mean Kelce isn't an ATG
Exactly. Gronk can be the GOAT but Kelce is still an ATG.
Absolutely.
And Gronk being the GOAT TE doesn't mean Kelce isn't an ATG
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I've already said Kelce is an all-time great, but this is not a good post from you. You're smarter than this.
Are you telling me it's kind of ridiculous to factor in running for Lamar Jackson as well?
If we go back to the 2018 season, Gronk was dominant in the run game against the Chargers, then became a passing threat in the Chiefs and Rams games. Sony Michel had a massive day in part to Gronk and his blocking. You don't have to carry an extra OL on the team when you have him, and when he's out there, you don't know if it's a run or a pass, unlike when other TE's are there..
I don't give a shyt.
If you had 150+ yards and 3 TDs then I don't give a fukk if you gave up 2 sacks and 3 TFLs. Putting points on the board is the great equalizer.
That's not what you said, and now you're playing this stupid game..
You said you don't factor in blocking. How can you not factor that in if a Gronk team is struggling in a passing game, yet can run it because of him? How can you say that if the Chiefs are struggling passing, but can't run because of a blocking liability that blocking doesn't matter..
I'm not talking about Kelce being a detriment to his team because of a lack of blocking. I'm saying that a TE's ability to be able to block should absolutely factor in. Let's say it's a snowy January, and conditions for passing are terrible. You're fine with a TE that can't block (not saying Kelce can't) over one that is elite? You don't have to value it as much as receiving, but for a TE, it's a big part..
I said what I meant the first time. If you're one of the most productive receiving TEs ever but a mediocre blocker, then that doesn't make you less valuable than a all time great blocking TE whose average or subpar in the receiving game. Why? Because the objective is to put points on the board.
Absolutely.
And Gronk being the GOAT TE doesn't mean Kelce isn't an ATG
Why is Kittles being thrown amongst the all-time TE greats alreadyI’m not saying y’all are spitting hot takes, and I agree Kelce and Kittles and Gronk are hall of famers…but this position has changed so much in the last 10 years it’s almost unfair to compare legends. Tight ends have benefited probably the most from the offensive rule changes in the NFL and the modern defensive schemes and athleticism.