Is this really hip hop?

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Depends on what wave you're on. Damn near all of those RVIDXR KLVN nikkas sample because they come from the early 90s hypnotize minds school of production. Lex Luger was actually a backpack/sample type guy. Ty $ was the one who produced "toot it and boot it" for YG...and he taught mustard.
Im glad you brought up Ty $. That's part of my question like are some of these singers rapping or singing? There used to be a clear division between R&B and hip hop.
 

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He does both and makes beats. Being multitalented is the future. Being "just a rapper" will not get you anywhere.
He cant sing tho. Music is not for the jack of all trades master of none type nikkas. Everybody isnt multitalented like Stevie Wonder. R&B singers are supposed to be able to sing
 

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Your right to an extent. Your average teenager making beats on his bedroom doesn't know shyt about sampling unless he's studied the culture
Wrong. A lot of teenagers who use Fl studios are into sampling too. But you think some 17 year old living in his moms house can afford to get samples cleared? :comeon:
 

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shyt only has to be cleared if its being professionally distributed. Most these nikkas don't make it past the mixtape game
Point still stands. A lot of new producers sample as well as make trap beats.
Blame the rappers, and the greedy old fuccs who hate hip hop and sue the shyt out of any rapper who samples their song for 3 seconds.
 

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It is what it is, fact of the matter is modern hip-hop sonically does not have the leeway to take the risks it did 20 years ago. I grew up during the Aafrika Bambaata era, I was about 8 or 9 when Soul Sonic Force joint dropped and I thought he was making music from outer space and shyt. That being said, when Biz lost that sampling case, it shot the production game in the heart in a lot of ways. I don't have a huge problem with the hip-hop of today, is it a little more euro-electro and r and b heavy, yes. But it as also led to more more thoughtful and introspective lyrics. Furthermore theres plenty of new stuff that still uses the older boom bap sounds of yesteryear, and then there was the hipster-hop era from like 2008-2011 that replicated the beat breaks of the 80's. But hey time only moves in one direction.
 

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He must not have heard of Raisi K, A2Z, KennKennKillTIt or Lewi Vee. All young, all sample. All buzzing.
I actually heard of a couple of them. I know theres young cats out there doing shyt. My whole point was to start the debate cuz people don't really think about this shyt was an open. You got people older than me who hate what hip hop has become and people younger who don't respect the roots of the culture. Im in the middle so I see it from both sides.
 

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It is what it is, fact of the matter is modern hip-hop sonically does not have the leeway to take the risks it did 20 years ago. I grew up during the Aafrika Bambaata era, I was about 8 or 9 when Soul Sonic Force joint dropped and I thought he was making music from outer space and shyt. That being said, when Biz lost that sampling case, it shot the production game in the heart in a lot of ways. I don't have a huge problem with the hip-hop of today, is it a little more euro-electro and r and b heavy, yes. But it as also led to more more thoughtful and introspective lyrics. Furthermore theres plenty of new stuff that still uses the older boom bap sounds of yesteryear, and then there was the hipster-hop era from like 2008-2011 that replicated the beat breaks of the 80's. But hey time only moves in one direction.
Im all for hip hop evolving and people experimenting and taking it new places. I don't even have a beef with people not sampling. Some of this shyt is just real questionable these days
 

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Once you realize that in music (and in everything in life) that not everyone is going to like what you like and vice versa, nothing stays the same forever, and money is always the root cause of most people's motivations and actions, you become a lot less worked up about shh!t like this. Dudes rapping over the same type beats today that dudes was rapping over in the early-90's and earlier would be kinda sad, lol. Change with the times and adapt to/evolve with your environment or die off, that's just the nature of the beast champ.
 
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