Is the Feminist Takeover also hurting the WWE as well?

[DaHNIC82]

I didn't mention that once, I didn't even imply that the product or the women were doing great. I said a couple managed to see some success despite horrendous booking. The product is still shyt.

My argument is that saying the product is shyt because of "feminism" is ridiculous. Even if we take OP's ridiculous claim that the men are being "emasculated" --is it because women aren't in piss-break matches anymore (debatable), or that WWE booked one guy to go through all of the men for the better part of four years.
shyt comes off as some alt-right rambling.
There are arguments that where you could make about Third-Wave Feminism, but to use it as an excuse for a promotion that has suffered from diminishing ratings since 2001...

Nikka I didn't say it was the SOLE reason. I said it was apart of it.. So anybody that speaks on feminism and men not being treated as p*ssy by women is Alt Right? I aint apart of that bullshyt... Cut it out

 

[XannyWarbucks]

First of all salute on the AV...

You made valid points because at the end of the day Vince makes the call and he's the sole reason why this shyt is stagnant. But you can't sit there and tell me that they aren't playing on that feminist wave. The difference with Stephanie back then and now is she was always getting clapped back(mostly by jericho, rock austin) , She got hers at the end.

Nowadays its nothing like that.. She emasculates the whole roster and its no pay off, no comeback, no nothing. She literally broke the Big Show the fukk down and it was a sad sight:



That plays on the woman empowerment movement where men just bow down and if they did.. It would be picked apart and dissected. Look at the flack the Rock caught for his interaction with Lana and Russev.

And Meltzer and others there confirmed that Vince didn't want Stephanie to get her comeuppance. It's not because of a feminist wave, at the end of the day it falls on the owner's decision. Today they have to rely on sponsors and their deals a lot more than ever before. They had leverage back then because the product was hot. Today, they're brick-- but making a shyt ton of money off those business relationships. It's a different time, and that's just how they roll now.

 

[DaHNIC82]

And Meltzer and others there confirmed that Vince didn't want Stephanie to get her comeuppance. It's not because of a feminist wave, at the end of the day it falls on the owner's decision. Today they have to rely on sponsors and their deals a lot more than ever before. They had leverage back then because the product was hot. Today, they're brick-- but making a shyt ton of money off those business relationships. It's a different time, and that's just how they roll now.

You basically just answered my question...Vince don't want them problems with these groups. Especially at his age. Men clapping back at Stephanie would not only piss off sponsors but also watch dog groups from the 90s)(Women right groups) would emerge and protest. We in the #Metoo climate so you either pander or suffer. Stephanie getting put through a table or being disrespected would piss off many woman rights groups and they don't want that problem anymore.

 

[GPBear]

Interesting coming from a frail faggit that spent damn near a whole day writing lengthy soliloquys in the locker room caping for tranny rights. Shut yo Harvey milk looking ass up.

Call other people gay and then bemoan the presence of females in the most homoerotic sport known to man

 

[DaHNIC82]

Call other people gay and then bemoan the presence of females in the most homoerotic sport known to man [/QUOTE

Whatever CAC We all know you get on some Cuba swinging shyt when folks speak against gays in this forum. I understand You gotta rep Limp Wrist Gang though

 

[GPBear]

Whatever CAC We all know you get on some Cuba swinging shyt when folks speak against gays in this forum. I understand You gotta rep Limp Wrist Gang though

Go watch more sweaty dudes grapple you closet homosexual

 

[DaHNIC82]

Go watch more sweaty dudes grapple you closet homosexual

This CAC with his weak ass comebacks. LWG member triggered

 

[Stop_It_5]

You basically just answered my question...Vince don't want them problems with these groups. Especially at his age. Men clapping back at Stephanie would not only piss off sponsors but also watch dog groups from the 90s)(Women right groups) would emerge and protest. We in the #Metoo climate so you either pander or suffer. Stephanie getting put through a table or being disrespected would piss off many woman rights groups and they don't want that problem anymore.

Vince let Roman spear her and he let Seth kick HHH into her sending her flying through a table.

Vince not letting Stephanie take any get backs has nothing to do with those groups or movements. It's about him wanting the "female Vince" to look strong 24/7. Roman & Seth had enough clout that it isn't viewed beneath her to get bested by them. Ronda's the only female he ever let get the best of Stephanie, because she's a legit crossover household name.

 

[MightyHealthy]

Couldnt imagine being such a weak beta that constantly whining about "women taking over" seems like the thing to do

I dont get it

Up there with homophobia

"I have even less competition, I'm so angry about it!"

 

[Da King]

Imagine being such a pathetic bytch, that you force yourself and pretend to like woman’s play fighting, that’s how pathetic of these marks are

 

[dbp]

I never understood the hate for Stephanie attacking men. She's a heel, hiding behind her authority knowing they won't do shyt back. It's cowardly, but that's the point.

If she was a face being portrayed as some badass, then I could get the anger.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I never understood the hate for Stephanie attacking men. She's a heel, hiding behind her authority knowing they won't do shyt back. It's cowardly, but that's the point.

If she was a face being portrayed as some badass, then I could get the anger.

Because there’s never any payoff. It’s literally just steph siphoning heat onto herself for no purpose other than to prop herself up at everyone else’s expense. Every now and then (usually just wrestlemania) she takes one bump which is usually someone accidentally crashing into her on the apron. It would be like if Vince never got dropped or embarrassed on tv by all the faces he used to go at. It’s literally the boss of the show who doesn’t compete with any regularity burying the show to prop themselves up. It’s not even a case of feminism gone wrong or something along those lines, it’s McMahon family narcissism with steph using feminism as an excuse to prop herself up at the expense of the roster. She’s basically inherited all of Vince’s worst qualities as a promoter and none of his good ones.

 

[Reality Check]

That's proving his point, the women are being taken care of while they've just given the men nothing to do. It's cool to have the women booked more like wrestlers, but dumbing down the male talent is just suicide.

The writing is bad for both women and men, but it's a matter of turning chicken shyt into chicken salad. If WWE had their way, Charlotte would be champ and they'd be moving towards a Rousey/Charlotte match at Mania. Becky Lynch was able to turn chicken shyt (a heel turn) into chicken salad (being arguably the most over and interesting person on both rosters). Other than Rousey, the women really have nothing going on at RAW.

 

[Rell84shots]

I didn't mention that once, I didn't even imply that the product or the women were doing great. I said a couple managed to see some success despite horrendous booking. The product is still shyt.

My argument is that saying the product is shyt because of "feminism" is ridiculous. Even if we take OP's ridiculous claim that the men are being "emasculated" --is it because women aren't in piss-break matches anymore (debatable), or that WWE booked one guy to go through all of the men for the better part of four years.
shyt comes off as some alt-right rambling.
There are arguments that where you could make about Third-Wave Feminism, but to use it as an excuse for a promotion that has suffered from diminishing ratings since 2001...

The product hasn't been this bad since the early-mid 90s, the ratings haven't been getting lower since 2001 they just haven't been able to match those 8-10 ratings they were getting during the attitude era. Nobody is saying the booking isn't bad but you'd have to be in denial to think that the constant push of the women and the don't give a fukk booking towards the men hasn't hurt the product.

They neglect the men regardless. The only person on the roster Vince gives a shyt about at all is Roman. Everyone else gets 50-50 booking and endless rematches with little to no storylines at all.

But outside of Sasha & Bayley they seem to remedy the mistakes they make, because now fans can't bytch about Becky and Askua anymore because they recognize the bullshyt they put them through and made it right. It took the fans chanting "this is boring" during a men's match for him to finally see that they are in trouble right now. And can you honestly sit there and say that Charlotte gets 50-50 booking?

 

[stro]

Because there’s never any payoff. It’s literally just steph siphoning heat onto herself for no purpose other than to prop herself up at everyone else’s expense. Every now and then (usually just wrestlemania) she takes one bump which is usually someone accidentally crashing into her on the apron. It would be like if Vince never got dropped or embarrassed on tv by all the faces he used to go at. It’s literally the boss of the show who doesn’t compete with any regularity burying the show to prop themselves up. It’s not even a case of feminism gone wrong or something along those lines, it’s McMahon family narcissism with steph using feminism as an excuse to prop herself up at the expense of the roster. She’s basically inherited all of Vince’s worst qualities as a promoter and none of his good ones.

This is ultimately nearly every heel authority figure ever in wrestling. Vince is the exception. Maybe Bischoff, at times, as well. That's pretty much it. There's only a pay off when the authority figure is removed from power for good, and there's never anything with that kind of finality in wrestling, especially not in WWE, and especially not with the McMahons and GM roles, so expecting there to ever be a pay off is a mistake in the first place.