Is Roy Jones the undisputed GOAT if he retires after Ruiz?

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WesCrook said:
Only difference is that most of his fights were not on PPV. Something Floyd thrived from.

Also Floyd's ascension was just as much about marketing as the actual fight content.
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roy booked his own shyt and was his own promoter.
way before mayweather ever got out from under certain cable providers and arum originally.

floyd's fights are about creating an american black villain.
to a international nation's hopeful.
which only worked from a coup of dela hoya.
internally from the errant false mismanagement of dela hoya.
while leaning on the same reverse brillaint semantics. that white people use to root on hulk hogan after rocky iii. which is to root on the white hope against and over the black champion in a ring sport. where said other group gets to feel like they have a race war warrior to settle the score.
it works cause it plays up blockbuster drawing tropes that work

if that never happens. we never get money mayweather.
plus, after mayweather hurt his hands.
if this never internal coup of dela hoya never occurs. money may is a never was.
that i definately do not agree with the match content.

as mayweather's match content is trash.

there is nuffin for a casual boxing mainstream fan domestically to really give a fukk about or purchase a ppv ever frfr.

roy was and is always the better watch as far as match quality and draw.
especially if roy stayed heavy and said fukk the history.

as real talk....mayweather although it is not his fault. he was trained in the prison industrial economy slash udc degradation purposefully of the scholastic system. that mayweather came up in a generation that was degradative. as far as actual talent.
mayweather also got lucky in that any actual comp had really bad circumstances.
vernon, or the truth for example.

in that,..mayweather skirted never really fighting anyone.
or waited till they were weight depleted from cycling off of substances.
which is fair. yet in that...we as the public never got the actual combatant who was of real quality versus mayweather.
which is not his fault that this opposition did no exist. yet we have to take into account this factor. when judging money may's quality of opposition.

especially against roy. where also..money may never took any chances. plus was never going to be tested. as he had higher resources. which resulted in pedigree and skill that was unchallenged.
than that of any boxer of that generation as well.
whereas roy had actual opposition and was also the most skilled.

money may can not really garner in legacy any way to be better than roy.
as roy already won fifty fights undefeated, and his only loss before chasing robinson was from a technical dq.

of which we never seen money do anything close to roy ever.
plus out the time machine.....
at the same weight naturally to get a catch weight versus roy.
roy would have beat the fukk'n breaks off mayweather.



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UpAndComing said:
GOAT? Nah. Sugar Ray Robinson and Muhammad Ali would still be cream of the crop. But I guess it would have been an interesting talking point if he did retire after Ruiz, especially on social media

Even if he retired after Ruiz he'll at best be #3 behind those two
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i dunno.

if roy would have stayed hw.
plus had a body of work with byrd and tyson.
on his resume with dominant scorecard wins.
inring skill wise..
we would have crowned a new p4p goat.

maybe not the goat hw like ali is. which comes from impact socially in civil rights and the vietnam dialectic tho.
after bill russell got everyone on point tho.

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Art Barr said:
roy booked his own shyt and was his own promoter.
way before mayweather ever got out from under certain cable providers and arum originally.

floyd's fights are about creating an american black villain.
to a international nation's hopeful.
which only worked from a coup of dela hoya.
internally from the errant false mismanagement of dela hoya.
while leaning on the same reverse brillaint semantics. that white people use to root on hulk hogan after rocky iii. which is to root on the white hope against and over the black champion in a ring sport. where said other group gets to feel like they have a race war warrior to settle the score.
it works cause it plays up blockbuster drawing tropes that work

if that never happens. we never get money mayweather.
plus, after mayweather hurt his hands.
if this never internal coup of dela hoya never occurs. money may is a never was.
that i definately do not agree with the match content.

as mayweather's match content is trash.

there is nuffin for a casual boxing mainstream fan domestically to really give a fukk about or purchase a ppv ever frfr.

roy was and is always the better watch as far as match quality and draw.
especially if roy stayed heavy and said fukk the history.

as real talk....mayweather although it is not his fault. he was trained in the prison industrial economy slash udc degradation purposefully of the scholastic system. that mayweather came up in a generation that was degradative. as far as actual talent.
mayweather also got lucky in that any actual comp had really bad circumstances.
vernon, or the truth for example.

in that,..mayweather skirted never really fighting anyone.
or waited till they were weight depleted from cycling off of substances.
which is fair. yet in that...we as the public never got the actual combatant who was of real quality versus mayweather.
which is not his fault that this opposition did no exist. yet we have to take into account this factor. when judging money may's quality of opposition.

especially against roy. where also..money may never took any chances. plus was never going to be tested. as he had higher resources. which resulted in pedigree and skill that was unchallenged.
than that of any boxer of that generation as well.
whereas roy had actual opposition and was also the most skilled.

money may can not really garner in legacy any way to be better than roy.
as roy already won fifty fights undefeated, and his only loss before chasing robinson was from a technical dq.

of which we never seen money do anything close to roy ever.
plus out the time machine.....
at the same weight naturally to get a catch weight versus roy.
roy would have beat the fukk'n breaks off mayweather.



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This reads like a bunch of hate and "bu bu bu buts" if you prefer Roy over Mayweather, just say that. Otherwise you just babbling, which your posts all seem to be at this point, just a bunch of bullshyt.
 
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zayk35 said:
This reads like a bunch of hate and "bu bu bu buts" if you prefer Roy over Mayweather, just say that. Otherwise you just babbling, which your posts all seem to be at this point, just a bunch of bullshyt.
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Stop skim'n.

If you not gon read and be a emo stan.

Just say that

Either supply a rant backed by fact to the post.
Or stfu.

Y'all nikkaz get mad.
there is no facts for you to counter with. Them descend into weak ass insults that do not hit. Plus never are effective against the creator gawd to you lil nikkaz. When you not ready to be at the table with moi tho.

So make a rationale reply.

Also please do not answer delusional.
like you this purveyor of cool. Incomparison to me. When Yousa nobody sheltered ass nikka breh.

You nikkaz live in delusion on here. Watching youtube tutorials. Get gassed and think yo rego ass is shyt.
to a real actualized grassroots headliner nikka. Who made it so.
you get a chance to interact with a headliner. Plus I come in the very products I made profitable and dominate.

Where if you was thorough. Maybe you would draw. Now here is your chance. Counter the points with facts and see where it takes you.

So spare us all the bullshyt opening and insults and just present a fact to counter the argument. If you have no facts to counter. Stfu.


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To put a dot on his peak dude dropped one of the best workout and gym, hype and motivational songs of all-time.

Not just an athlete trying rap, dude legit made a hit/classic song. In a few decades more people may know Roy for this song than his in-ring ability.

Over 200 million views on youtube.

300 million plays on Spotify so far.



Roy from 1993 to 2004 is truly a run that won't topped.
 
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No undisputed GOAT. Sugar Ray Robinson is the consensus GOAT but you’ll see some other names thrown in there by boxing historians.

I don’t really hold it against RJJ much for fighting on too long. The majority of great fighters do the same.
 
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