Richard Glidewell
Superstar
Roy was a a build a character. Fists were blurs no slo mo........
Is Roy Jones the undisputed GOAT if he retires after Ruiz?
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
By damaging his body physiology by being weight depleted. Put roy's synapses. Reflexes, speed etc into total disarray. Plus Roy needed to have command of that physiology and in that envelope of time. Had no way to relearn his own physiology. Or adapt to his own change. That there existed no timeline.
to allow him to do that. Before he actually accomplished The Robinson chase feat in real time.
Couple it with now added abuse he never took previously. Along with a weight depleted damaged body physiologically.
Roy just never recovered.
Plus Roy took on the top division before hw in skill. That featured the darkhorse of all boxing in: Glen Johnson.
The one man in natural history put thr time machine. You should never fukk with period. Let alone ill prepared with your body physiology in shock and weight depleted. Plus looking to heal from abuse.
at a shock induced weight depleted physiology and makeup. So Roy basically went to fight his equal skilled in their own right rogue gallery. One being the one guy all time.
you never fukk with.
next to the hawk Aaron Pryor in Johnson. Plus Roy fought a nikka who used roids and got popped to close the distance and cheat the recovery of weight depletion Roy endured to try to accomplish the feat to chase Robinson. As well. So Roy fought a cheat in Tarver. Who also spear headed a Roy witch hunt to become mainstream relevent. Where he had it out for Roy. So Roy went into the fye.
Ill-prepared with no ability to ramp. Plus solidify any synapse connection.
to his weight depleted physiology.
Art Barr
threattonature
Veteran
Nowhere near an undisputed GOAT but he'd def be in the conversation. I still don't get how Ali is considered top 2. I love Ali but he had too many close calls and fights that were considered gifts to put him over everybody.
UpAndComing
Veteran
I understand you're a casual, but the Ring section is right there for you to educate yourself
How many Sugar Ray Robinson fights have you watched? I’ve only been able to find clips (I’ve found one fight that was a full fight online).
Roy would have had a heavy goat consideration. He was doing some amazing stuff in the ring. That Tarver fight took his soul.
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Erratic415
Superstar
The footage of him in his prime (welterweight in the 40s) is very limited. It’s just clips for the most part
The closest full fights that are really around to see of him in (or near) his prime are the 6th LaMotta fight and the Graziano fight. Both were at MW though, when he was better at WW.
Most of the other stuff after that is after he took 3 years off and was already in his mid to late 30s with 150 or so pro fights.
Dillah810
Flat Girther
There's only three type of fans that won't put Ali as at least 2nd:
Marciano fans
Louis fans
... and I'm not going to say the third group because I don't want no problems.
Yeah, the Lamotta the only one I’ve watched. I wasn’t sure if there was more full fight footages. I know most boxing enthusiasts consider him the GOAT. I just never saw much material and wanted see if anyone had a site to watch it.
zayk35
Superstar
It was the death of superman when Tarver slept him 
IIVI
Superstar
Win over Toney
Win over Hopkins
0 hits landed in a round by a known fighter.
HW Champ from Middleweight?
Yeah, chances are most of us living on this planet will not see that again.
Now with celebrity boxing, don’t know the next time anybody sees that again.
Win over Hopkins
0 hits landed in a round by a known fighter.
HW Champ from Middleweight?
Yeah, chances are most of us living on this planet will not see that again.
Now with celebrity boxing, don’t know the next time anybody sees that again.
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UpAndComing
Veteran
And don't forget one of the GREATEST punches in boxing ever
And Muhammad Ali's coach Angelo Dundee was a big fan of Sugar Ray, which doesn't surprise me
No he isn’t, and I fukks with Roy heavy. He didn’t have the resume (as far as opponents) when compared to other GOAT candidates. Also, even though Ruiz was a heavyweight, he wasn’t really a threat.
You can make an argument he could be in the discussion, but he definitely wouldn’t be the undisputed GOAT.
You can make an argument he could be in the discussion, but he definitely wouldn’t be the undisputed GOAT.
Erratic415
Superstar
And don't forget one of the GREATEST punches in boxing ever
And Muhammad Ali's coach Angelo Dundee was a big fan of Sugar Ray, which doesn't surprise me
Set it up perfectly with the right hooks to the body. That and Curry-McCrory are two of the nicest, shortest left hooks I’ve ever seen.
I think SRR was Ali’s favorite boxer and influenced him.