Is Obama telling us to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps?

[Booker T Garvey]

This nikka cosigned bruce jenner, hes not serious.

saw someone on facebook point out that the people had to beg him to speak on those police shootings

he congratulated bruce jenner in a matter of minutes though

 

[ridedolo]

What's a croc of shyt? My facts or my reasoning? If its my reasoning than how is it a croc of shyt?

If you believe in white supremacy(belief that white people are superior to all other races aka non-whites NOT JUST BLACK PEOPLE) is the foundation that creates racism which creates the institutional barriers that prevents blacks from drastically changing their "state" in america today(last decade or so)

than

the same must be true for Latinos and Asians because they are non-whites too.

I really don't see a flaw in this logic? If you state X should occur to blacks because they aren't white than It most hold true for all non-white groups, unless, like I said in my last post, you side with conclusion A. Also, respond with some substance or don't at all. I am not interested in reading ad-hominems.


Assuming your not using the word "experience" as code for "history", your basically proving my point. Minorities are non-whites, yet, today, they have varying experiences which lead to them have varying "states". This variety means that if a group falls under none-whites they aren't destine to be in a fix'd state which contradictions the notion that white supremacy is this un-passable barrier that locks non-white group into a static state.


Did you even read my post? I practically implied a similar conclusion.

A) Whites are particular racist towards blacks, thus, being non-white really only effects blacks, and is the reason for the differences within the minority groups in terms of the proprieties that I laid out above.

See, I did consider that being non-white may not effect Asians as it does Blacks. While I don't believe that theory because it doesn't make sense in the context of "today", I did fukking acknowledge it as a valid conclusion, so don't tell me I didn't.


And I'm sure you made that assumption based on the irrational logic that I stated something you don't agree with.

So you're really gonna ignore slavery, rape, Jim crow, dehumanization, medical racism, mass incarceration, stolen history, and overall systematic racism and human rights violations specifically targeting blacks?

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

saw someone on facebook point out that the people had to beg him to speak on those police shootings

he congratulated bruce jenner in a matter of minutes though

Yep. fukk Obama.


Just anotha politician except wit some melanin.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

So you're really gonna ignore slavery, rape, Jim crow, dehumanization, medical racism, mass incarceration, stolen history, and overall systematic racism and human rights violations specifically targeting blacks?

I went ahead and put that dude on ignore.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

I understand having a restriction like that, but the office amount demand is too much. Having a restriction makes sense to avoid connections to shadier groups, I get that...but making it 5 or 10 makes FAR more sense than 45...

I'd imagine the Clinton Foundation fiasco has Obama's team on edge trying to ensure they don't end up on that Summerjam Screen. Side note: I remember about 8 years ago having a meeting with an Obama bundler dude in finance. It was a work related meeting but at the end he started laying out what he "expected" Obama's next decade to look like. He was going on about how he'd get elected, win re-election easily, and start an organization or charity focused on urban issues. He also said they were looking into how to do it legally as possible because if there's anything cacs love it's shutting down black charities and/or movements for "corruption." Dude literally said "Obama won't be able to get away with the shyt the Clintons are doing with their Foundation."

I don't believe none of that shyt breh. You got Obama on TV calling black people thugs and telling them they need to take care of their kids and stop complaining so damn much. Obama can eat a dikk far as I'm concerned.

 

[Made Myself A Boss]

There has to come a point where the African American community says to themselves.. Look, if we aren't prospering under Obama, a man who we vastly helped putting into office, maybe there are changes they we need to look in the mirror and make... Maybe asking for handouts isn't the solution. Maybe we need to stop wasting time crying about black faces, and focus on more productive activities. Maybe we need to follow Bob Marleys message about freeing our minds from mental slavery.. Maybe we need to follow the slogan of the clothes we where (who dont give a fick about us btw) and "Just Do it"

 

[Piff Perkins]

I don't believe none of that shyt breh. You got Obama on TV calling black people thugs and telling them they need to take care of their kids and stop complaining so damn much. Obama can eat a dikk far as I'm concerned.

Isn't that what plenty of older black people say all the time tho? Not saying I agree, but a lot of older blacks feel that way.

 

[Booker T Garvey]

I don't believe none of that shyt breh. You got Obama on TV calling black people thugs and telling them they need to take care of their kids and stop complaining so damn much. Obama can eat a dikk far as I'm concerned.

he's said all of these things publicly, condie rice and colin powell have never done that

it's really bizarre how black people deify certain people to the point that they can do no wrong no matter what, literally.

 

[↓R↑LYB]

Isn't that what plenty of older black people say all the time tho? Not saying I agree, but a lot of older blacks feel that way.

Then fukk those old c00ns too

he's said all of these things publicly, condie rice and colin powell have never done that

it's really bizarre how black people deify certain people to the point that they can do no wrong no matter what, literally.

Honestly all of these black politicians ain't shyt for as I'm concerned. There's two only two on a national level who I fukk with: Former Representative Cynthia McKinney (she a part of the grassroots organization Coalition to Combat Police Brutality) and Congressman John Conyers Jr who's been trying to push a reparations bill through congress for like 2 decades now.

Everyone else can get the

 

[AJaRuleStan]

So you're really gonna ignore slavery, rape, Jim crow, dehumanization, medical racism, mass incarceration, stolen history, and overall systematic racism and human rights violations specifically targeting blacks?

Okay, I see. We have a disconnect. You're looking at my argument, misrepresenting it, then arguing against that instead of the actual argument I made. That is called a straw man argument.

Let me give you a quick flow-chart of what transpired between me and bdizzle, so you can see what I mean!

bdizzle originally makes a counter argument to an assumption I made in which I claimed the differences between blacks/latinos "state" changing in the last 7yrs is probably due to culture/population. For example; they're a bigger group so they have a bigger influence, and it's a culture norm for them to work jobs that the avg African american wouldn't work.

1) Bdizzle Counter Argument: The black community has prospered less than latinos in the last 7 years because of institutional white racism, thus I'm wrong about culture and i'm stupid.

2)This is my counter argument to his: The same property that would make blacks a target to institutional white racism within the time period set by the OP is shared with latinos(i.e their both non-white groups) thus your argument about racism doesn't make sense.(Unless you believe that white racism targets blacks more than other non-white groups in the time period set in the OP)

And now this is your gross misinterpretation of my counter argument~

3)Your misinterpretation of my counter argument is: Racism played no part in shaping/creating the initial "state" of blacks at the end of the civil rights movement.

You see, all your points are valid points, but their all valid to an argument I never made.

 

[AJaRuleStan]

There has to come a point where the African American community says to themselves.. Look, if we aren't prospering under Obama, a man who we vastly helped putting into office, maybe there are changes they we need to look in the mirror and make... Maybe asking for handouts isn't the solution. Maybe we need to stop wasting time crying about black faces, and focus on more productive activities. Maybe we need to follow Bob Marleys message about freeing our minds from mental slavery.. Maybe we need to follow the slogan of the clothes we where (who dont give a fick about us btw) and "Just Do it"

> counter argument using the avg root logic
Black people cannot change their "state" in america today because of white supremacy breh, and btw your a cac for even suggesting that we could "change" our state. There is no evidence in the last ten or so years of any non-white group improving their state for the better in this country, you fgt ass cac.

 

[ridedolo]

Okay, I see. We have a disconnect. You're looking at my argument, misrepresenting it, then arguing against that instead of the actual argument I made. That is called a straw man argument.

Let me give you a quick flow-chart of what transpired between me and bdizzle, so you can see what I mean!

bdizzle originally makes a counter argument to an assumption I made in which I claimed the differences between blacks/latinos "state" changing in the last 7yrs is probably due to culture/population. For example; their a bigger group so more influence, and it's a culture norm for them to work jobs that the avg African american wouldn't work.

1) Bdizzle Counter Argument: The black community has prospered less than latinos in the last 7 years because of institutional white racism, thus I'm wrong about culture and i'm stupid.

2)This is my counter argument to his: The same property that would make blacks a target to institutional white racism within the time period set by the OP is shared with latinos(i.e their both non-white groups) thus your argument about racism doesn't make sense.(Unless you believe that white racism targets blacks more than other non-white groups in the time period set in the OP)

And now this is your gross misinterpretation of my counter argument~

3)Your misinterpretation of my counter argument is: Racism played no part in shaping/creating the initial "state" of blacks at the end of the civil rights movement.

You see, all your points are valid points, but their all valid to an argument I never made.

Dude I'm supposed to take you serious when you don't know the difference between there their and they're?

 

[Made Myself A Boss]

Dude I'm supposed to take you serious when you don't know the difference between there their and they're?

Nice deflection, fakkit..

 

[AJaRuleStan]

Dude I'm supposed to take you serious when you don't know the difference between there their and they're?

>Argumentum ad hominem – the evasion of the actual topic by directing an attack at your opponent.

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