Is Kyrie's Success in Boston an Indictment on LeBron?

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Boston’s offense hasn’t been that good they are winning games off their number one ranked defense.

Boston's offense is humming in the sense that they're keeping the ball moving and Kyrie hasn't been selfish dropping into isolation, something he had struggled with his whole career.

As far as defense though, it's the same damn argument. Kyrie proved that he could play defense in the 2016 Finals, it's just that he rarely ever did. That's somehow an indictment on Papa Lebron, who apparently is always responsible for Kyrie's effort level on both ends, and not on Kyrie or the coaching?

Not to mention that while Kyrie playing well on D, it ain't like his defensive play is driving Boston's success. Smart is still the top defender on the perimeter and Kyrie's only faced one elite point guard so far this season.



"Bu but it's only 10 games" :mjlol:

You already know if their record was 2-9 nikkas would be making multiple threads calling him being a loser :camby:

Except when the Celtics started out 0-2 I told people right here to STFU and give him time. :stopitslime:
 

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People are forgetting Kyrie was the closer for the Cavs, part of the reason they are struggling now is late game situations

Lebron has never been that guy in the clutch, so Kyrie not there to bail them out...

Where do ya'all come up with this bullshyt. :dead:

Lebron took and made more final-minute shots and more game-winning shots than Kyrie did last year. :heh:
 

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I don't think it is. First off, it's only been 10 games. But look at how Cleveland is doing now that they don't have anyone who can create offensively for themselves. They're all dependent on LeBron setting them up to score
 
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First off, Kyrie had the ball in his hands for more minutes last year than Lebron did yet had far fewer assists than Bron. It was a great offense, but when the offense stalled it stalled on Kyrie's isolation plays when he wasn't even looking to pass, not on Lebron who was clearly always keeping an eye out to keep teammates involved.
SMH.

Just straight up dishonest bullshyt.
Second off, what you call "Bron Ball" produced one of the greatest offensive efficiencies in basketball history.
:heh:

That was down to their 3-pt shooting (greatest collection of 3-pt shooters in history), and two top-end ISO scorers. Not because of the structure of Bron Ball.
But because a great coach convinced Kyrie to finally give up the ball and not run so much isolation this year,
More dishonest bullshyt.

Kyrie was forced into that role, it's part of the reason why he wanted off the Cavs. When Blatt was trying to implement his motion-based offense in the first few months of his tenure, Kyrie was one of a very few on the team who tried to use its actions during games, until LeBron spat out his dummy, and they went back to the same ole bullshyt.

Stevens didn't convince him, Kyrie wanted to play in that type of offense.
which means that the Celtics have an offense that's humming even though Kyrie has fewer points and fewer assists with worse efficiency, that proves that Bron Ball and not Kyrie's selfishness was the problem?
Oh look, more dishonest bullshyt.

He's taking less shots so far this season (half of the reason why he's averaging less points), because he's trying to balance out when to shoot and let others handle the ball. He's been getting more open and easier looks this season, he's just adjusting to playing in a new offense + he's been missing shots he usualy makes. He's actually averaging more assists when you take into account he's playing less minutes this season. And really that's besides the point, because he's creating a lot of secondary looks for his teammates who make an extra pass(es). His contributions on offense don't directly show up in the box score - his screening, traffic controlling, cuts/off-ball activity and allowing others to cook while still being a threat.

And that's before we even address the defensive side of things. How many times do I need to tell you to stop drawing up conclusions from the box score?
Ya'all will try to use literally anything to take down Lebron. :dead:
You mean just like you and your fellow LeBron stans did everything to shyt on Kyrie over the last three seasons?

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Did Kyrie win a championship this year for the Celtics when I wasn't paying attention? If not, you're jumping on his "success" a bit too quick. It ain't even halfway through the season yet.
 

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nikkas only care about kyrie to spite bron/ his stans. :mjlol:


Its kind of sad because Kyrie deserved more.

I mean, we are a few games into the season. And Lebron had a ring before Kyrie, 2 of them actually, and he got Kyrie his 1st. Lebron has nothing to prove, its Kyrie that needs to prove he can chip without Lebron. He went from ashy to classy before and after Lebron came back to CLE.

This whole thing reminds me of people trying to say Lebron can't win without Wade, then he chips in CLE and now its Lebron can't win without Kyrie? Thats dumb, he already did. You nikkas grasping at straws and disrespecting Kyrie in the process. Let these nikkas live man. Watch the games and shut up with this lame ass shyt.
 

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People are forgetting Kyrie was the closer for the Cavs, part of the reason they are struggling now is late game situations

Just total bullshyt. Cavs have only had five games this year decided by less than 10 points. This is how they looked in the last five or so clutch minutes of those games:


against Celtics: Cavs scored on 7 of their last 9 possessions, won

against Bulls: Cavs scored on 7 of their last 12 possessions, won

against Nets: Cavs scored on 10 of their last 12 possessions, lost because of poor defense and Love/Lebron each missed a vital free throw, then Love missed the tip

against Wizards: Cavs scored on 9 of their last 14 possessions, won

against Hawks: Cavs scored on 10 of their last 13 possessions for a huge comeback, lost because of a bad start and Frye missed a three, then Wade missed the tip.


Their offense has been fire in late-game situations, that is NOT the reason they are struggling now. How do ya'all come up with this stupid narratives?
 
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