Is it too early to have the Coogler>>>>Spike Lee argument?

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I don't really like the comparison. Two completely different styles of films. Also I don't like to compare the goats with the new guys. Spikes films were very real, grounded and told very intricate stories with unflinching realism and made statements about being black in America. Coogler's films while good, seem to be more action, fantasy and fiction. Also Coogler is standing on the shoulders of giants.
 

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Most of Thecoli were kids. More people were probably critical than we knew.


"My contempt for Lee's "Malcolm X" movie stems from the fact I knew most of our people would rely on the movie, not any serious study of Malcolm's life and contributions, to form their perspective of Malcolm and his work. As a result, I was completely shocked while viewing the movie on its opening night in November of 1992. I was there with several A-APRP members. Our assignment, as was the case for our organizers nationwide that night, was to leaflet movie goers with a brochure clarifying Malcolm's crystal clear anti-zionist position. The movie was so terrible I could hardly stand it. The story had been changed in some very strange ways and most of the people who would be absolutely necessary to explain Malcolm's conflict with the Nation of Islam were conveniently left out of the movie. No John Ali, the suspected government informant. No James Shabazz, Clarence X Gill, Elijah Muhammad Jr. No Louis Farrakhan, but the most egregious offense was Lee's shoddy handling of Malcolm's work in Africa. The work that defined Malcolm's Pan-Africanist legacy and caused him to be killed. I was so upset that I couldn't even watch the end of that movie. I abruptly left my seat to go outside to start handling out the anti-zionist leaflets. I guess I have to give Lee some credit for developing my oratory skills because I was so mad that night, I played the role of a street corner preacher at that movie theater, preaching to people about the real Malcolm who wasn't portrayed in that movie as they exited. My fire that night was fueled by a portrayal of Malcolm that seemed to depict him as anything except the revolutionary Pan-Africanist that we are convinced cost him his life. Our ability to reach our people is challenged, compromised, and misdirected at every turn. Something that may seem so simple to you, like what Lee missed in the Malcolm movie, serves to set us back for years. This is the cause of our frustration with that movie. Lee compromised portraying Malcolm with integrity for personal fame and fortune for Lee."



Spike got backlash for ChiRaq too btw. But folks wanna talk about Black Panther 2 and not how bad that movie was. I stand on BP2 being a good movie.


He got backlash from Boots Riley too over Black Klansmen. Saying Spike took too many liberties with the story. Anyone seeing a pattern?


Spike can do a biopic,but he basically wont let the actual story get in the way of what he thinks is more interesting. Even if those changes change the story completely.
This is excellent. Perfectly stated.
 

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WTF is you talking about.

HE DID NOT DIRECT KEANU NOR CANDYMAN!

BlTCH COME'RE :picard:....

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YOU......DO.......NOT.........KNOW.......FILM MAFƯCKER!!

He wrote both dumbass:gucci:.


"Keanu (also known as Cat Boys) is a 2016 American buddy action comedy film directed by Peter Atencio, and written by Jordan Peele and Alex Rubens"


"Jordan Peele co-wrote the screenplay for the 2021 film "Candyman". He co-wrote it with Nia DaCosta and Win Rosenfeld. DaCosta also directed the film."



How does he get no credit for the movie. I gave you the producing wouldnt count. Because he may have had a little involvement or alot,we dont know. But if you wrote or cowrote the screenplay,its your movie too.
 

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Can't do it yet. Inside Man is arguably the greatest heist film of all time.




Might rewatch this one on the strength of Denzel. Not to many Denzel duds,but this was one of em. But since i cant remember why i didnt like it,maybe it was one of those days I wasnt paying attention. Although usually thats a sign of a bad film.


Better than Heat:jbhmm:?
 

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Coogler didnt write or direct that so I was wrong. Coogler only produced it and had creative input.


And your grandmother had nostaliga swaying her. Whats your excuse for enjoying that waste of time? Where was Malcoms sister Ella in the film? Dont tell me Hollywood told Spike they needed his bad acting,and to see him doing the Lindy Hop in the film:martin:


We could really get into a discussion of misogyny,but lets not go there. Her ommission is GLARING in the film. For some random white woman and Spikes character to get more screen time:snoop:?


I give him credit for having Malcolms family in the actual movie though. Then dont tell me Hollywood told him not to include Farakhan who was a big deal at the time. Farakhan allegedly told him not to,and he caved and made rewrites to the script.


This is your second response where you are more focused on the historical inaccuracies about X then the fact that Malcolm actually got a movie put out there. And it stands out that you aren't keeping the same energy for the inaccuracies in J&BM. And I'm not trying to play tit for tat by pointing out the historical inaccuracies in J&BM because, like with X, I'm more focused on the fact that It's a good thing that Fred Hampton got a movie. Especially only after getting a shout out in the 1995 Panther movie. And speaking of that movie, Panther was also historically inaccurate. The Godfather In Harlem tv show is filled with historical inaccuracies. In The Butler, Eugene only had 1 son in real life not 2 like in the movie. Temptations had David Ruffins death with him being thrown out of a car when that's not how his death happened. I don't know why you are acting brand new to how inaccuracies in Hollywood bios have always been a thing. That's the way it always has been even with white bios.
 

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Why are they even being compared? because they are black? They are two very different directors.

If anything Coogler is taking a more Christopher Nolan approach to his career. And is able to switch between big franchise fare and smaller more intimate movies like Nolan.

And it shows, he even thanks Nolan and his wife in the credits for Sinners.

I suspect this is also what Warner Bros wants as well remember Nolan left them for Universal after he felt they didn’t give Tenet a cinema only push during Covid.
 

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He wrote both dumbass:gucci:.


"Keanu (also known as Cat Boys) is a 2016 American buddy action comedy film directed by Peter Atencio, and written by Jordan Peele and Alex Rubens"


"Jordan Peele co-wrote the screenplay for the 2021 film "Candyman". He co-wrote it with Nia DaCosta and Win Rosenfeld. DaCosta also directed the film."



How does he get no credit for the movie. I gave you the producing wouldnt count. Because he may have had a little involvement or alot,we dont know. But if you wrote or cowrote the screenplay,its your movie too.
That's not directing dawg.

A lot of great directors co-wrote shıtty films. It's how the execution, cinematography and score is done.
 

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This is your second response where you are more focused on the historical inaccuracies about X then the fact that Malcolm actually got a movie put out there. And it stands out that you aren't keeping the same energy for the inaccuracies in J&BM. And I'm not trying to play tit for tat by pointing out the historical inaccuracies in J&BM because, like with X, I'm more focused on the fact that It's a good thing that Fred Hampton got a movie. Especially only after getting a shout out in the 1995 Panther movie. And speaking of that movie, Panther was also historically inaccurate. The Godfather In Harlem tv show is filled with historical inaccuracies. In The Butler, Eugene only had 1 son in real life not 2 like in the movie. Temptations had David Ruffins death with him being thrown out of a car when that's not how his death happened. I don't know why you are acting brand new to how inaccuracies in Hollywood bios have always been a thing. That's the way it always has been even with white bios.



I think your being disengenious in a way here. Of course people are going to be more critical of certain biopics than others. As a Pac fan who knows alot about Pac,that biopic made me furious lol. I dont know as much about James Brown,so innacuracies in his biopic wouldnt upset me as a casual James Brown listener.


The ammount of info out there about Malcolm vs Fred is night and day. And I feel like I know alot about Fred. I caught a couple mistakes,but did they leave out anything glaring like X? Not that i can recall. X leaves out several things that are glaring to me,and adds useless portions in its place.


Plus you cant compare David Ruffin with Malcolm X. The historical significance is night and day:comeon:


Agree completely on the Black Panther movie. And the Panthers deserve another movie or series too. Wouldnt mind seeing a Black Panther t.v show by the creators of SnowFall. Too bad John Singleton is no longer with us. But they could definitely go ahead and make that prequel to Snowfall.


Lastly,theres one big thing your missing. Big difference in a bad movie that takes a bunch of liberties and is historically innacurate. And a good movie that takes liberties and is historically innacurate. Just as a movie X isnt that good. I wont say bad,that feels like an overstatement. But as the kids say,mid as hell:respect:



I actually think BAMBOOZLED,is what yall think X is.
 
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