iFightSeagullsForBread
The Working Class Hero
And they still exist today, and yes, some of them play instruments. That's why I stated you were being ignorant.
Is it time to shame black entertainers?
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And they still exist today, and yes, some of them play instruments. That's why I stated you were being ignorant.
too late, any person older than 35 who criticizes current entertainers is viewed by the youth as "disrespecting them and hating on them. Or out of touch w/ what's cool" And anyone who's young and does the opposite of what's popular is a "sellout or weird"
Mainstream black ppl have become nothing but trap beats and ratchet reality shows. And sadly those are the only ones with influence.
Mainstream black ppl have become nothing but trap beats and ratchet reality shows. And sadly those are the only ones with influence.
i wasn't on sohh or at the beginning of the coli but could never figure out why one of the chirac self genocide crew is prominent in the smilies. who lobbied to have that image added in 2012?
philmonroe
Superstar
Its the circle of life dude. Same way if this Internet shyt was older cats way of life like younger dudes. In the 90's parents were doing the same thing with cats wearing baggy clothes or whatever was poppin in your area. We would say y'all just don't understand and now even though I'm no with the stuff some of,these cats wear I realize that's just the thing for them. No different from clothes to music or anything IMO.
I get it....but the difference is now there is no balance.
Early 90's older ppl were appalled by Death Row music the violence and use of "bytches & hos", but on the flipside you had wholesome black images like Boyz II Men, Babyface, Tevin Campbell, several other groups, even the more edgy acts like Jodeci were still acceptable.
Now you have nothing. If it ain't about the club, smoking, shooting nikkas, poppin pills, sippin lean, etc, it's not "cool". And there is no alternative to that image being actively pushed....so it's all the kids see/hear
philmonroe
Superstar
I have to disagree with there is no balance. I don't know the rappers now that talk about positive stuff but I know they are out there just like back then because like you said the mainstream stuff was still the "trap" music of that time period. You definitely have R&B still but I will say it seems its more Rap&B then R&B nowadays mainstream. Its still good stuff out there to balance it and with pandora, spotify, and other things that weren't out when I was younger its easier to discover different music if you want. I think we have to put responsibility on the parents and even the kids themselves because when you have the options we have today kids seeing/hearing only "trap" music is not an acceptable excuse.
Yeah,I feel you man. Anytime a discussion begins about the conditions of black folk, people always dodge the biggest contributing factor, white supremacy. Usually people talk about sagging pants,single Mothers,Hip-Hop, not enough religion or too much religion,etc etc....... It's likes how one of my favorite black scholars always use to say "White Supremacy is the disease and gangsta rap,drug addiction,broken communities, etc etc are the symptoms and side effects." And any doctor would tell you, anytime you're trying to treat or cure a disease you don't negate the disease and solely address the symptoms. That's like a doctor saying to a patient with a brain tumor, "Oh you got a few headaches......well take this aspirin and drank more water."
PhonZhi
Veteran
The great thing about your post is that everything you said was 100% on point. The bad thing about your post is that posters like @Barnett114 (a HUGE supporter of black genocide music) usually will come and attempt to dismiss everything you said with the standard "bu bu but these things existed before rap" defense. While true (hell, to keep it 100 our problems goes back to slavery) what this current hiphop culture is doing is keeping us in a certain mindset. Earlier in this thread Barnett114 mentioned drugs, guns and long-established gangs as problems in the community right? Well of course he ignored me when i pressed him about rappers promoting and glorifying those exact same things in their songs and vids. Example:
I mean look at this filth. This is just continuing the mindset of using guns, joining gangs and killing other black people. Again, no shyt that things were bad before rap, but what this is doing is taking our minds off of who the REAL oppressors are and making blacks their own enemies. Rap is teaching us that other blacks are the enemy. Rap is teaching us that joining long-established gangs are cool. Rap is teaching us that being a drug-addict is cool. Rap is teaching us that murder is how problems should be handled. Also, this whole hiphop culture is setting us up for our own extermination thats currently being attempted on us. . Its JUSTIFYING it. The world sees us as the race that hates itself. We kill each other so who should care when others do it.
PhonZhi
Veteran
im so tired of yall parroting this same ol saying. Yall need to wake up to "media propaganda" which is a tool of white supremacy. Media propaganda is being used to demonize the image of the black race GLOBALLY. When the time comes for mass extermination of the black race, it will be JUSTIFIED. We are the race that hates and kills OURSELVES. Our image is that of thugs, savages, animals even. We dont value our own lives, so why should anybody else.
I agree with you 100% homie about the media propaganda.Media propaganda ain't nothing new. Hitler had one before he start killing jews and during slavery in the usa the media and news outlets during that time painted blacks as savages and dumb. Here is where we differ, when we talk about problems that plague black folks hip-hop to me is near the bottom of the totem pole. Black people make up about 40% of the homeless population in the USA. You're telling me that making rappers rap positive is more important than giving these people a home and a job? Also black children in foster care are the least likely to get adopted, you telling me rap is more important than finding these kids parents? Hip-Hop is more important than the education system?And to be honest breh, you're apart of the hip-hop problem too. Every other thread you're posting trap music telling people not to listen to it and how the media propaganda is affecting our people but all you're doing is promotioning their music. How many positive rappers you posted lately? Here's some to start you off....
PhonZhi
Veteran
You acknowledge media propaganda and how its been used in the past to justify certain atrocities. I
that but this is where yall constantly go wrong. Yall keep referring to it as simply "rap". Its waaaaay more than just simple music. Its an entire CULTURE thats being promoted. A mindset and lifestyle. Its way more than just "rap music". An overall ignorant and destructive lifestyle is being promoted and glorified to seem "cool". Rap is teaching our youth that ignorance and crime are the keys to success instead of intelligence and education. The word "thug" is synonymous with the black male damn near solely because of the CULTURE of hiphop. Its an entire CULTURE, not just simply "music". Its a mindset. A conciousness. No change will EVER occur if our MINDSET doesn't change first. Do you agree with that? And right now our mindset is stuck on ignorance. Maybe black babies aren't adopted because of the overall image and stigma that black skin has. The overall image of the black race is that of a thug, savage and inferior. And that is by design. Media propaganda has successfully kept the image of the black race at the bottom of the barrel. And this overall "ranking" of whats more or less important as far as tools of white supremacy is kind of besides the point. They are ALL important. Yall are categorizing rap as "rap" which needs to stop. Modern-day, Intentionally manipulated rap music should be filed under "media propaganda". And by the way ive posted those types of videos many times in an attempt to show the balance that hiphop USED to have. Matter fact, ive posted that exact same Arrested Development song before and somebody accused me of posting a song about black on black violence
Whatever, but you are the one that is listening to music that promotes self hatred, disrespect and genocide. Now that is ignorant.
iFightSeagullsForBread
The Working Class Hero
What about that music I posted is promoting self hatred, disrespect and genocide? Which artist exactly?
Where did I post anything about any post 1970's act?
iFightSeagullsForBread
The Working Class Hero
You stated that sampling is the sign of a musically weak generation, so yes every other artist from post-1970s is weak based on your statement on the first page.