Is it a shame that blacks don't listen to or have a historical appreciation of jazz and blues?

[BlvdBrawler]

I have a hard time finding any Black children or young people who don't know ANYTHING about Jazz or Blues.

I'm sayin' tho. If blacks don't know about jazz and blues then who the fukk does?

 

[daze23]

we were born before this..... at least i was.

I fukked up. that's Chubby Checker not Chuck Berry

 

[ltheghost]

ur right but....

i speak to a bunch of young people and..... it's a combination of funny and sad - when you ask about these things.

Not to underestimate but.... 90+% know uoeno less than 5% probably know any of what your talking about. I literally heard a young rat the other day say that Versace was her 'shyt'. ..lol, I was dead when she played that song on her phone. Not too many of us are getting into hip hop seriously like that.

Yeah but that's that mass media pop rap that pops up every couple of years. Ring tone rap. That type of shyt has been around forever! I know nikkas who listen to Young Scooter everyday, but they know Billie Holiday or John Coltrane. But its such a disconnect because in-between now and then those stars weren't allowed to blow up like a Elvis or Beatles. Young people love music that we think and (know) is dumb as hell. lol Give them time. I wasn't into Classical or Jazz music until I got older. When I was young I bumped No Limit, Cash Money, Dog Pound, and Tupac. That was it. Maybe some Jay-Z or Biggie, but back then it was about what could knock in the whip.

 

[The Real]

I fukked up. that's Chubby Checker not Chuck Berry

I dapped cause I thought you were joking and it was deliberate.

 

[I'm Billy FUCO!!]

I fukked up. that's Chubby Checker not Chuck Berry

Awwww, man.....

I thought you was joking with that

 

[daze23]

I dapped cause I thought you were joking and it was deliberate.

yeah, I guess I helped prove the point

I'll try to make it up with this:

 

[NZA]

in america, kids arent supposed to be interested in old people's stuff unless it becomes hot to them in a grassroots sort of way, like how the 90s is coming back to these 90s babies. they are wearing flattops now, but if you tried to force that on them, they would resent it.

 

[Depreciating Asset]

I think it's a shame because blacks created both genres. For a culture that needs positive affirmation, heroes and role models I think it's empowering to learn that we created more musical genres than rap and that it's okay to look up to Duke Ellington, Scott Joplin, Muddy Waters or Louis Armstrong just like we look up to our current hip hop heroes.

 

[Depreciating Asset]

For example, I just learned about Jean-Michel Basquiat (shout out to Ricky Rosay and Jay-Z for shouting him out in numerous rap songs and making me google him). Saw a documentary on Netflix. I was so inspired to learn about this super talented, creative black man whose paintings sell for millions of dollars. I feel like he is an example of a black star who our community needs to learn about and appreciate. I feel the same way about Herbie Hancock.

 

[daze23]

here in New Orleans, you actually do see some younger peeps into Jazz and the Blues, and putting a new twist on it

 

[Depreciating Asset]

here in New Orleans, you actually do see some younger peeps into Jazz and the Blues, and putting a new twist on it

True. New Orleans is just different. I would think it's almost hard to grow up in NOLA and not know. There are so many more young musicians. All girl bands, jazz clubs everywhere. It is the birthplace of jazz after all.

Many of the brass bands there are really dope. If you can't tell I am a New Orleans-stan. Love the place.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

the majority appreciate it on a personal level

but nobody "wants" to hear it on a mainstream level

 

[NZA]

For example, I just learned about Jean-Michel Basquiat (shout out to Ricky Rosay and Jay-Z for shouting him out in numerous rap songs and making me google him). Saw a documentary on Netflix. I was so inspired to learn about this super talented, creative black man whose paintings sell for millions of dollars. I feel like he is an example of a black star who our community needs to learn about and appreciate. I feel the same way about Herbie Hancock.

the funny thing about basquiat is that the hip hop heads in the 80s that knew him didnt seem to respect him much. i remember reading rammellzee's interviews and dude seemed to kinda despise him.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Or are these simply dead musical genres that it is okay to forget about?

Can anything be gained by increasing listenership or teaching African-American children about this music or it's history? Or is this basically a waste of time and there are more important issues to worry about?

There are more important issues. You want to bring Rag time back as well?

 

[The Real]

the funny thing about basquiat is that the hip hop heads in the 80s that knew him didnt seem to respect him much. i remember reading rammellzee's interviews and dude seemed to kinda despise him.

"I don't know if it was straight up hate, because they also continued to work together, but Rammellzee's song Beat Bop is actually about that:

The track was initially intended as a battle rap between Rammellzee and Basquiat, following heated arguments between the two.[2] Rammellzee, an influential graffiti artist himself, accused Basquiat of being a fraud. In turn, Basquiat claimed he could out-rap, out-dance, and out-paint anybody.[3] The duo eventually settled on "Beat Bop" acting as an outlet for this tension. With links to Andy Warhol, Jean-Michel Basquiat was the toast of the New York art world during that period. Rammellzee, on the other hand, describes himself as being an "up-and-coming con artist". Basquiat therefore agreed to pay for recording, pressing and eventual release. Despite this, both Rammellzee and K-Rob had the power to overrule Basquiat on the record's content:

"He wanted [to] say his own verses... me and K-Rob read them and started laughing, and we crushed up his paper with the words he had written down and we threw it back at him face first."[4]

The result was a ten-minute track featuring Rammellzee and K-Rob on vocals, under the direction of Fab Five Freddy,[5] its production credited to Basquiat only (despite Rammellzee insisting that Basquiat did nothing but foot the bill). Speaking in 2008, Rammellzee reflected on the relaxed nature of the recording session by saying "we were just having fun".[4]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_Bop

Also found this pic of them chillin, so who really knows...