Is Group Economics Among Black Americans Just A Pipe Dream?

[Wargames]

Good thread here.

I will say this I do believe African Americans need to focus more on entrepreneurial endeavors. However, I agree that the goal shouldn't be to only have African American customers. The world is a big place and opportunities are abundant. The one caveat to that is I wish African Americans were more dominant (or at least had a sizable presence) in more markets outside of entertainment. Its clear one of the reasons why that is the go to field is because you can strike it big with literally nothing supporting you economically until that moment you make it.

However, I wish that there was a push within the culture to get into more mundane markets like ownership of manufacturing firms or government contractors (where there is a real impetus to hire minority businesses). Arguably the only sign of something even remotely like that that I can find in popular media is the show shark tank with Daymond John.

 

[cinna_man]

I just thought of a really simple way to put this:

What if....physically being African American is not too different from being any other genetic makeup, however being African American as a culture puts you at a disadvantage to survive and prosper in America. Would you agree/disagree? Would you fight it and attempt to overcome those odds (as surely many generations before you have and largely failed), or would you learn from other people (regardless of their skin color and genetic makeup) and change?

 

[tmonster]

I just thought of a really simple way to put this:

What if....physically being African American is not too different from being any other genetic makeup, however being African American as a culture puts you at a disadvantage to survive and prosper in America. Would you agree/disagree? Would you fight it and attempt to overcome those odds (as surely many generations before you have and largely failed), or would you learn from other people (regardless of their skin color and genetic makeup) and change?

this could be a long conversation about old iterations and loops of history

but let me try to cut to to the chase first and ask you,
what of "historical arc" and justice? would you agree/disagree?

 

[havoc]

What makes you think group economic in African American community doesn't exist ?

We have 21 banks that are operated and owned by blacks..

 

[cinna_man]

this could be a long conversation about old iterations and loops of history

but let me try to cut to to the chase first and ask you,
what of "historical arc" and justice? would you agree/disagree?

I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll take a guess. I don't believe kids, grandkids, great grandkids, etc are culpable to their ancestors mistakes. For that matter, I don't believe in mistakes. I believe that all races (excluding cultural memes, looking strictly at genetics) would make basically the same decisions if the roles were flipped. So since we've abolished the genetic aspect of any possible mistakes or loops in history, we can now discuss the cultural side of it.

Nothing has ever been decided by morals. If you believe that something has, you've been led astray by philosophers and politicians. Everything comes down to economics. Wins and losses. Money. Blood. Corruption. The continuum from equality to inequality, the continuum from socialism to capitalism. Every belief that your culture teaches you is an element of survival strategy.

The only guaranteed justice in this world is the victor getting his spoils.

It's bad to be black if you want to succeed! Stop thinking in the ways that so many people have failed. Start thinking and acting and believing in ways that most people have succeeded. It's only logical. The Northern Europeans (and their kin) and the East Asians (and their kin) are going to be your best examples to follow.

The more you distance yourself from the people who control everything, the more you will continue to lose. The more you believe that people are culpable (responsible), the less effort you will put out for yourself. The more you believe in genetic differences, the less you will ever have whatever the other person has (be it power, intelligence, athleticism, whatever), no matter how much you think either side is just or unjust.

 

[Drummage_EL]

What makes you think group economic in African American community doesn't exist ?

We have 21 banks that are operated and owned by blacks..

How much is the black community benefiting from these black owned banks?

 

[havoc]

How much is the black community benefiting from these black owned banks?

Many blacks aren't going to benefit from those banks unless they decided to become a customer for black owned banks. There are listed online. I didn't know about those banks until a poster posted the info online.

 

[tmonster]

I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll take a guess. I don't believe kids, grandkids, great grandkids, etc are culpable to their ancestors mistakes. For that matter, I don't believe in mistakes. I believe that all races (excluding cultural memes, looking strictly at genetics) would make basically the same decisions if the roles were flipped. So since we've abolished the genetic aspect of any possible mistakes or loops in history, we can now discuss the cultural side of it.

Nothing has ever been decided by morals. If you believe that something has, you've been led astray by philosophers and politicians. Everything comes down to economics. Wins and losses. Money. Blood. Corruption. The continuum from equality to inequality, the continuum from socialism to capitalism. Every belief that your culture teaches you is an element of survival strategy.

The only guaranteed justice in this world is the victor getting his spoils.

It's bad to be black if you want to succeed! Stop thinking in the ways that so many people have failed. Start thinking and acting and believing in ways that most people have succeeded. It's only logical. The Northern Europeans (and their kin) and the East Asians (and their kin) are going to be your best examples to follow.

The more you distance yourself from the people who control everything, the more you will continue to lose. The more you believe that people are culpable (responsible), the less effort you will put out for yourself. The more you believe in genetic differences, the less you will ever have whatever the other person has (be it power, intelligence, athleticism, whatever), no matter how much you think either side is just or unjust.

we gon' have to agree to disagree

 

[Drummage_EL]

Many blacks aren't going to benefit from those banks unless they decided to become a customer for black owned banks. There are listed online. I didn't know about those banks until a poster posted the info online.

You have a link?

 

[cinna_man]

we gon' have to agree to disagree

What is your opinion? Just curious.

 

[havoc]

You have a link?

Did You Know There Were 21 African American Owned Banks In The Country? - Urban Intellectuals |
Urban Intellectuals

 

[tmonster]

What is your opinion? Just curious.

I think morality dominates, it is only through unctuous and sly corruption of morality-often by genetically deficient psychopaths- do we manage to get around it. We are a deeply social and empathic species.

 

[cinna_man]

I think morality dominates, it is only through unctuous and sly corruption of morality-often by genetically deficient psychopaths- do we manage to get around it. We are a deeply social and empathic species.

But if there are many accepted and workable moralities, there is no absolute morality. If there is no absolute morality, morality cannot be viewed in absolute terms like 'good' or 'bad', except relative to a particular goal.

I totally understand our socialness, empatheticness, and that there are semi-instinctual morals. However, absent anything absolute (like a god) that decides everything, there is effectively nothing. It's up for everyone to create their own 'gods' and philosophies. When you do that, you have a competition. Everything is a competition. That's what I'm getting at.

 

[DEAD7]

But if there are many accepted and workable moralities, there is no absolute morality. If there is no absolute morality, morality cannot be viewed in absolute terms like 'good' or 'bad', except relative to a particular goal.

I totally understand our socialness, empatheticness, and that there are semi-instinctual morals. However, absent anything absolute (like a god) that decides everything, there is effectively nothing. It's up for everyone to create their own 'gods' and philosophies. When you do that, you have a competition. Everything is a competition. That's what I'm getting at.

 

[Mindfield333]

looking at the though process of alot of cats on here...

itll definately never be