Is English Just Badly Pronounced French?

[Geode]

And about the stigma, I think the lens needs to change.

Yes, the ppl that created AAVE and other Creole languages were enslaved Africans, but how powerful and inspiring is it that they were able to create AAVE and other Creole languages under the condition of enslavement.

That ain’t something to be ashamed for.

It’s a testament of their resilience and intelligence.

There’s power and value in that shared historical context
that is crucial to center.

This all day.

There was a lot lost, specifically in African American culture, beyond AAVE language when we cast them aside for being "country".

 

[HarlemHottie]

I studied Italian, French, Arabic and Japanese. Through Italian and French, Spanish, Portuguese, Catalan, Latin, Romanian, and even some Croatian are all easy to glean meaning from.

That's almost 10 languages from just understanding the sentence structure and the cognates (words that have the same derivative root. How "Lupis" becomes Lobo in Spanish/Portuguese, Loupe in French, and Lupo in Italian.)

My girl often looks at me all weird because I grasp "speaking" languages really fast. Mostly because I understand the structure super quick and get phrases down SUPER fast. Do that and you can start learning anything.

Same (except, not 'my girl,' lol). My Latin teacher said I "have a love affair with words," which, while a great compliment, esp from him... I was 13. Different times. And he said this publicly.

I want to add a Semitic language. Lowkey, I feel like Yiddish my be an easy entry point for an English speaker.

Once you get the hang of learning a language, ANY language,, the world's your oyster. You make a mental template, then it's just plug n play.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

Same (except, not 'my girl,' lol). My Latin teacher said I "have a love affair with words," which, while a great compliment, esp from him... I was 13. Different times. And he said this publicly.

I want to add a Semitic language. Lowkey, I feel like Yiddish my be an easy entry point for an English speaker.

Once you get the hang of learning a language, ANY language,, the world's your oyster. You make a mental template, then it's just plug n play.

The Semetic languages are hard as hell to me. Even harder than east asian ones. Mostly because the dialects (at least in Arabic) might as well be different languages.

 

[WaveGang]

I was under the impression it’s a mix of everything but mainly derived from Latin, which funnily enough has African origins

 

[HarlemHottie]

The Semetic languages are hard as hell to me. Even harder than east asian ones. Mostly because the dialects (at least in Arabic) might as well be different languages.

I'm shocked, but not really. What we, modern people, link as Semitic languages don't really have the same roots. Yeah, the main ones do, but bc they've absorbed so many Steppe- related/ Indo- European dialects, I could see there being, say, vocab from a language isolate or something. Messy linguistically. (Imo, modern, post Islamic Expansion Arabic should be considered similar to English, as a trading language that absorbed whatever it needed.)

Do you know anything about the African Semitic languages?

 

[Lord Beasley]

I take it op has never heard of Latin

 

[Black Magisterialness]

I'm shocked, but not really. What we, modern people, link as Semitic languages don't really have the same roots. Yeah, the main ones do, but bc they've absorbed so many Steppe- related/ Indo- European dialects, I could see there being, say, vocab from a language isolate or something. Messy linguistically. (Imo, modern, post Islamic Expansion Arabic should be considered similar to English, as a trading language that absorbed whatever it needed.)

Do you know anything about the African Semitic languages?

I don't off the rip. Mostly Amharic but not a lot. Only heard it from being around a ex of mines family. THAT is a weird language. Sounds nothing like Arabic or Hebrew to me.

 

[HarlemHottie]

I don't off the rip. Mostly Amharic but not a lot. Only heard it from being around a ex of mines family. THAT is a weird language. Sounds nothing like Arabic or Hebrew to me.

See? That's bc it branching happened too long ago. This is interesting to me, I may look into it. Jews say that the Yemenite Jews preserved the purest version of what might have been biblical Hebrew, I wonder how it differed.

Spoiler

Said Yemenite Jews:

First-ever photos of Yemen's Jews stunned the Jewish world

When adventurer and photographer Hermann Burchardt arrived in Sana'a in 1901, he became the first person to chronicle this unique community’s way of life

www.haaretz.com

Look like Lloyd and two Ethiopians.

 

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MUTT LINGO*

 

[ReasonableMatic]

This all day.

There was a lot lost, specifically in African American culture, beyond AAVE language when we cast them aside for being "country".

Yeah, this is because of the decreolization, being in such close proximity to English.

Caribbean Creoles overall don’t have that to that degree.

The South preserved the most Africanisms within America.

This directly translates to why Southern speech receives the most negative stigma and associations as a manifestation of ingroup internalized anti-Blackness.

Dismissing Africanisms as “country” with a negative connotation is taught self-hate by white supremacy.

Which is shameful, because AAVE originated in the South.

Within the South, Gullah retained the most Africanisms,
which is ofcourse because of isolation.

If you listen to Gullah, it’s easy to hear how similar it sounds to Caribbean Creole languages.

Which also isn’t strange, because there is a historical connection there because of enslaved Africans from Barbados being shipped there who spoke a Creole language already.

African Americans and Caribbean ppl are very connected historically wether ppl know it or not lol.

Caribbean Creole languages and Gullah are the closest thing to Krio from Sierra Leone and Nigerian Pidgin.

In the comment section of this video for instance,
you’ll see Caribbean ppl and West-Africans affirming they can understand Gullah and their linguistic similarities because of shared African rententions.

These dialogues and interactions are very important to be aware of and center for us as a ppl.



The connection to Krio from Sierra Leone explained here.

The connection to Nigerian Pidgin explained here.

 

[Cuban Pete]

English is what happens when Old Aenglish and Norse have a freak off session with Medieval French and Vulgar Latín and some body gets pregnant but no one knows who the pappy is

In 150-200 years Mexican Spanish is gonna do the same to American English

 

[Uchiha God]

In 150-200 years Mexican Spanish is gonna do the same to American English

 

[Cuban Pete]

Too many of them mfers here

 

[Black Magisterialness]

He's not wrong. Only thing is there's so many other influences (and the hold AVEE has on America isn't changing) that basically we'll have some weird Black Spanglish hybrid based on linguistic tropes. That's how languages work.

IF this was still the year 850.


You know what one of the major things that keeps English around?

English is the lingua franca of the internet....until that changes...we're speaking the King's for the forseeable future.

 

[Uchiha God]

He's not wrong.