Is Colin Powell a coward?

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I think you guys are saying what should've happened, but I'm saying what DID happen, why I believe it did, and why I don't it as cowardice.

So, you don't think he was being a political coward as much as just being loyal. Perhaps. Maybe, he knew of the potential backlash and failure and embraced it because of loyalty. But if we're going with that line of reasoning then he's a worse individual than I'm even saying he is. I think the biggest issue is that in a lot of ways that is the very definition of cowardice. Refusing to step up to your boys when you know they are wrong when you're in a position to do so. This is different from actively being a solider where those dynamics are different.

He didn't even have to come down on them. He could've just stepped down from the position. He didn't have to be the mouthpiece. That's the issue. He allowed himself to be the trustworthy face that sold the war to the American people.
 
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So, you don't think he was being a political coward as much as just being loyal. Perhaps. Maybe, he knew of the potential backlash and failure and embraced it because of loyalty. But if we're going with that line of reasoning then he's a worse individual than I'm even saying he is. I think the biggest issue is that in a lot of ways that is the very definition of cowardice. Refusing to step up to your boys when you know they are wrong when you're in a position to do so. This is different from actively being a solider where those dynamics are different.

He didn't even have to come down on them. He could've just stepped down from the position. He didn't have to be the mouthpiece. That's the issue. He allowed himself to be the trustworthy face that sold the war to the American people.
I hear you...but in washington and the millitary, I just don't think it works like that. I can't see a general stepping down when his commander is going to war or know if there's a history of that. I may be wrong though.

And george bush wasn't his boy. He is his commander in chief.
Your PRINCIAL is sound, but in place I don't see it applying here.
 

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bandar ''bush'' lacked respect for colin, and colin took it like :thumbsup: minus one heated exchange...
 

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I wonder would those same black people question Kobe Bryant's blackness because of his upbringing? This is more a socioeconomic argument than an argument about his racial background. Being black in America doesn't mean experiencing racism or struggling. But I'm sure Obama has experienced racism.

Obama is bi-racial and you touched on that. Ask yourself why do black people claim him as black? Usually they come up with one or two requirements and both reinforce white supremacy.

But to people who feel that Obama is not "authentically" black enough, the idea that he does not come from the same historical experience of shared struggle and oppression means that he can't then relate fully to the whole concept of being black in America. And I am quite sure he has experienced racism at some point in his life just becasue on sight he looks like a black man and every black man in this country has had that experience at least once to varying degrees.
And on the bi-racial tip it is more to do with his skin tone than anything else. If Obama looked like me (my mom is black and dad is white and I look like I am mixed with something but it is not obvious just what that is) then he wouldn't have been as fully embraced by the black community as he is because it wouldn't be so easy to just label him as black despite his being biracial.
 

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I've had discussions with people who feel this way; most of them really militant in their black pride. Their reasoning being that Obama's father being Kenyan means that he does not have the same historical ties to black suffering that American blacks have as part of their shared experience; he was not raised by black people instead being raised by white people; he was not raised in or around black people having been brought up in Hawaii and Indonesia.
Their argument goes that his skin color may be the same but he has no clue about what it means to be a black man in America.

And what does it mean to be a black man in America today? What is our shared experience today?

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I wonder would those same black people question Kobe Bryant's blackness because of his upbringing? This is more a socioeconomic argument than an argument about his racial background. Being black in America doesn't mean experiencing racism or struggling. But I'm sure Obama has experienced racism.

Obama is bi-racial and you touched on that. Ask yourself why do black people claim him as black? Usually they come up with one or two requirements and both reinforce white supremacy.

What does being black in America mean then?

And what are these requirements that reinforce white supremacy?
 

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Exactly...Obama is black by default....He was raised by whites and for the most part lived as a white boy with dark skin. He's not a c00n....he just did'nt really have those same values you and I have.


yep....Im sure when he was a kid white people sait "wait this man has a white mom, we shall excuse him from rascism"

im pretty sure whenever he was pulled over by the cops he showed them his "white mom" card and they let him go with an apology


The stupidity of some of you losers knows no bounds..... dont blame the next man because he doesnt have your typical crab in the barrel defeatist loser mentality


I swear some of you have lost already and you dont even know it......you wont amount to anything worthwhile in life
 
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And what does it mean to be a black man in America today? What is our shared experience today?



What does being black in America mean then?

And what are these requirements that reinforce white supremacy?

Being black in America is more than experiencing racism. Our history doesn't start with slavery. Being black in America is achieving in the face of adversity. It is Kenneth Chenault, Colin Powell, Dr. Condoleeza Rice, Michelle Obama, etc. That's the problem. We have never defined ourselves collectively outside of *insert white people and slavery".


Most people who state Obama is "black" usually bring up ridiculous scenarios like .
Im sure when he was a kid white people sait "wait this man has a white mom, we shall excuse him from rascism"

That's reinforcing white supremacy, continuously upholding the views of racist white people as the law. The fact that black people conveniently adopt "Barack" as black proves this. He is bi-racial whether white people accept him or not and whether black people want to claim him as black. Why endorse the 1 drop rule in 2012? There are no physical repercussions in rejecting that outdated racist rule.
 

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What team was colon running with that had his back against demonic goonies?
 
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