Is #BlackLivesMatter Leading Nowhere?

[FAH1223]

for what

Everytime we got protests I think of this thread

 

[Pazzy]

Speaking of co-opting, pay attention to this #blackouttuesday bullshyt going on social media. Apparently, theres folks posting an all black photo or a black fist with the transgender flag along with some red lines behind the transgender flag. I'll post it in a second to show you how bad it's getting.



I'm focusing on some of these fake ass revolutionary, entrapment, set up groups that are busy being agents of chaos or setting up their own agenda off of this shyt like this group in NYC

Folks need to stop thinking all these folks showing support have the same agenda.



And the mainstream media obviously

Op-Ed: What we need to do for our black daughter after the killing of George Floyd

yall see this shyt? NBC/universal/comcast and the rest of these mainstream media clowns.

And on top of all that, I'm noticing how there are a bunch of white liberals as well as some black folks who are apart of the co-opt are basically hijacking this shyt and putting themselves and are trying to control the narrative of this shyt. (As expected) Folks need to chill, start separating themselves from all these random people with their own agendas and get this shyt popping. Instead you have folks really being gullible thinking everybody that is cosigning this shyt share the same agenda. Stop and pause, folks. The government and Donald trump isn't the only people that we need to be careful of.

 

[Red Shield]

Everytime we got protests I think of this thread

Oh ok

 

[Kooley_High]

Still havent seen effective leadership come out of this

 

[Red Shield]

Still havent seen effective leadership come out of this

and you never will.. hell it's been dead since 2016

 

[phcitywarrior]

Still havent seen effective leadership come out of this

THIS. Tbh, I just haven't seen solid, united black leadership in a while. It seems like things peaked during the Civil Rights Movement.

IMO, BLM needs to partner with credible black policy makers to present recommendations on how police brutality and other racial injustices can be curbed. They also need a credible national figure head that will address the public/media and stay no code. Celebrities and entertainers are good to bring awareness to a cause, but they shouldn't be the figure heads for movements. Jay-Z shouldn't be the go to person to talk about black issues and how to remedy them.

 

[Pazzy]

THIS. Tbh, I just haven't seen solid, united black leadership in a while. It seems like things peaked during the Civil Rights Movement.

IMO, BLM needs to partner with credible black policy makers to present recommendations on how police brutality and other racial injustices can be curbed. They also need a credible national figure head that will address the public/media and stay no code. Celebrities and entertainers are good to bring awareness to a cause, but they shouldn't be the figure heads for movements. Jay-Z shouldn't be the go to person to talk about black issues and how to remedy them.

Breh, have you been following this thread? Did you read the title of the thread? What does it say?

This is the problem here. We have way too many people thats not even knowing what's going on and not even paying attention. Just following what everybody else is doing blindly just to "fit in" and "be accepted" by other people who also dont know what the fukk they are doing or what's going on. The thing is that nobody is forcing them to do that shyt. They have a choice but the fear of a life of loneliness or being rejected by other people forces them to stay in line. As a result, folks are MISERABLE. They never are happy because they are busy living their lives for other people and not themselves.

I think a lot of people are afraid to question these things for the fear of being rejected, shunned, socially isolated, ridiculed and etc YET if nobody had the heart to question this shyt, we wouldn't know shyt. It's just psychologically and emotional warfare.


Which is ironic because all these folks are basically being socially programmed by who??? The same oppositional forces they are fighting against. In other words, the opposition is basically setting up their response through a fake social justice movement to control to the reaction of the public towards an issue that can possibly threaten their authority through a successful uprising by the public. Basically they control the public's emotions, energies and thoughts so they divert it to everywhere but them. They use social media, smart phones and etc to track people and see who plans on doing what.

That's the problem. And these smart phones dont help either. Folks literally are being programmed like they are computers and that's when the discussion of smart cities and even Google and these tech companies are basically working against us. Basically tech especially these smart devices are making people lazier and dumber. They are relying on peoples mental laziness to carry out their agenda. I'm sure if enough people got the word or found out the truth about these folks and who and where they should really divert their energies too. We might be on the way to some actual progress.

But we got lazy thinking motherfukkers who think because they got a degree or two from a four year school, read some books, able to fit into some social circle on some high school shyt trying to hold on to their teenage years instead of just growing up, probably struggling with bills and whatever all jumping on the latest social media trends with this being one of them.

Look at what's happening now. Like folks really not even doing their research AT ALL.

 

[phcitywarrior]

Breh, have you been following this thread? Did you read the title of the thread? What does it say?

Haven't followed the thread but I see the title. I'm just expanding/giving my own take on this.

 

[Kitsch]

 

[Red Shield]

THIS. Tbh, I just haven't seen solid, united black leadership in a while. It seems like things peaked during the Civil Rights Movement.

IMO, BLM needs to partner with credible black policy makers to present recommendations on how police brutality and other racial injustices can be curbed. They also need a credible national figure head that will address the public/media and stay no code. Celebrities and entertainers are good to bring awareness to a cause, but they shouldn't be the figure heads for movements. Jay-Z shouldn't be the go to person to talk about black issues and how to remedy them.

Well yeah. CRM was the peak of what all of this protesting marching would accomplish

 

[phcitywarrior]

Well yeah. CRM was the peak of what all of this protesting marching would accomplish

Not even from a marching perspective, but from a united leadership angle. Granted, my knowledge of that time is limited, but from the books, documentaries and articles I've read, it seems like there was definite and united group to advance the rights of black people.

I think the lack leadership if you will, is partially due to the fall of the black church and the community is brought for many.

 

[Red Shield]

Not even from a marching perspective, but from a united leadership angle. Granted, my knowledge of that time is limited, but from the books, documentaries and articles I've read, it seems like there was definite and united group to advance the rights of black people.

I think the lack leadership if you will, is partially due to the fall of the black church and the community is brought for many.

Shouldn't really be surprised at the lack of leadership now...
too many leaders were killed.
too many leaders ended up broke needing help they didn't get from a community they gave their all for.
A percentage of "leaders" were fine and stopped pushing once assimilation became easier or a seat at the table was opened up.

I think the time for leaders like that and these mass movements has passed

 

[phcitywarrior]

Shouldn't really be surprised at the lack of leadership now...
too many leaders were killed.
too many leaders ended up broke needing help they didn't get from a community they gave their all for.
A percentage of "leaders" were fine and stopped pushing once assimilation became easier or a seat at the table was opened up.

I think the time for leaders like that and these mass movements has passed

This is also a big one I've noticed as well.

 

[Red Shield]

This is also a big one I've noticed as well.

a poster made a recent good post that really shows this

Identity Politics and Elite Capture

"
In 1957 the pioneering African American sociologist E. Franklin Frazier published an English translation of his study of the U.S. black middle class, Black Bourgeoisie. We might also think of it as a pioneering work in the study of elite capture of politics. Frazier accuses the black middle class of being insecure and powerless, constantly constructing a world of “make-believe” to deal with an “inferiority complex” caused by the brutal history of racial domination in the United States. Immediately controversial upon its publication, the book notes in a preface to the 1962 edition that Frazier was both applauded for his courage and threatened with violence.

Why did the myth of a black economy as a comprehensive response to anti-black racism survive, when it was never a serious possibility? In Frazier’s telling, it did because it furthered the class interests of the black bourgeoisie.

One of the book’s arguments concerns the generations-old political strategy for racial uplift: the project of building a separate black economy within the United States. In 1900, for example, Booker T. Washington organized the National Negro Business League, first convened in Boston. It was greeted with enthusiasm and fanfare; many African American business leaders in attendance hoped that this sort of venture would be the key to eradicating the harm of white racism.

Frazier argues that Washington’s approach was not only misguided, but based on faulty analysis of the economic potential of African American business. The total net worth of all 115 original attendees did not even amount to $1 million. By the time Frazier wrote his book in 1955, all eleven black-owned banks in the nation combined did not represent the amount of capital in the average local bank in smaller white cities. There was simply not enough black wealth for a separate black economy to “bootstrap” itself up. Even if the initiative successfully encouraged people to buy black—for example, with dollars earned at their jobs at the Ford plant—it would still not create a black economy. Nonetheless, shortly after the group’s fiftieth anniversary, the league doubled down on its goal to preach the gospel of faith in black business. No wonder Frazier concludes that an African American economy would remain a pipedream into the 1960s, as it had been at the turn of the century.

Why did the myth of a black economy as a comprehensive response to anti-black racism survive, even when prominent black businessmen could have known that it wasn’t a serious possibility? In Frazier’s telling, it was the particular class interests of the small but influential black bourgeoisie that carried the idea. Some were business owners, hoping to enjoy a monopoly of the African American economic market. Others were salaried professionals—far and away the largest percentage of the black middle class at the time—hoping to work their way into white-owned marketing firms on the strength of their presumed knowledge of untapped black purchasing power. Either way, the National Negro Business League promoted a viewpoint that encouraged people to confront the complex problem of white hegemony over politics, culture, and the economy with the mythical premise that black people could spend and invest their way out of domination.

Frazier saves his most scathing criticisms for the black press, “the chief medium of communication which creates and perpetuates the world of make-believe for the black bourgeoisie.” While acknowledging the contributions of black publications such as the Chicago Defender and Frederick Douglass’s Paper, he nevertheless insists that the black press’s “demand for equality for the Negro in American life is concerned primarily with opportunities which will benefit the black bourgeoisie economically and enhance the social status of the Negro.” The elite control of prominent black media advanced these subgroup interests seemingly without regard to the larger group. As an example, Frazier notes that the Norfolk, Virginia, black newspaper Journal and Guide celebrated the election of a black doctor to the presidency of a local affiliate of the American Medical Association—in spite of the fact that he had opposed “socialized medicine,” which no doubt would have benefitted working-class African Americans.

Frazier concludes that, whether in the black press or in business, “the black bourgeoisie have shown no interest in the ‘liberation’ of Negroes”—that is, unless “it affected their own status or acceptance by the white community.” At every opportunity, “the black bourgeoisie has exploited the Negro masses as ruthlessly as have whites.” Frazier surely overstates things here, but his book is a window into a common phenomenon."

Hell I remembering reading something that Web duBois started coming to a similar realization back in the early 40s..

 

[FAH1223]