Is Andre Ward The Most Feared Fighter In Recent History?

[Newzz]

Both of those fights took place within the divisional limit. Not a valid comparison.

And he didn't ask JMM to take any weight off... they just fought at the Welterweight limit. And JMM career best win was at Welterweight, while Dawson has no notable wins or even fights at Super Middleweight. Definitely not a valid comparison.

Canelo...it's fair to question if he may have been affected by the weight loss...even though the amount of weight he had to take off was minuscule compared to what Dawson had to lose.

And Dawson was unquestionably affected by the weight loss...No way in hell does Ward punch harder than Tomasz Adamek & Glen Johnson @ Light Heavyweight and he was more hurt by Ward's punches than theirs. And Johnson in particular touched Dawson up alot, yet he was never as hurt in those fights as he was against Ward.

You can't definitively say that Ward beat the best version of Dawson.

JMM had NEVER fought above 135 before fighting Floyd 2 divisions higher at 147.

At the time of their fight, JMM (in your words) "had no proven capability at Welterweight", but yet you wanna give credit to Floyd for that victory, but take away from SOG who was the one being called out....not the other way around as you keep presenting it

It would be as if Ward calls out GGG and says he wants to and will fight him at 160 for the Middleweight Championship.

Throughout camp/press conferences/interviews Ward constantly says he feels great at the weight.

Fight night comes and then GGG beats his ass thoroughly while embarrassing him and forcing him to quit, and then #SOGGang blames GGG for beating Ward's ass at 160 saying it wasnt fair or it wasnt Ward at his best

Nope. WARD was called out at 168 by Dawson, not the other way around

 

[H.I.M.]

JMM had NEVER fought above 135 before fighting Floyd 2 divisions higher at 147.

At the time of their fight, JMM (in your words) "had no proven capability at Welterweight", but yet you wanna give credit to Floyd for that victory, but take away from SOG who was the one called out....not the other way around

It would be as if SOG calls out GGG and says he will fight him at 160 and he feels great at the weight, goes to 160 and loses, and then #SOGGang blames GGG for beating SOG's ass at 160

Nope.

At the end of the day...Marquez career best win occured in the same weight class that Floyd trounced him in...he's proven to be a capable Welterweight by beating a top Welterweight. Dawson has never even faced a top Super Middleweight, let alone beat one (prior to or after facing Ward).

NOW...If Dawson were to sign a fight with say Froch or Andre Dirrell or somebody like that at Super Middleweight, and put the beats on 'em, THEN it would put Ward's win in greater context.

 

[krackdagawd]

In other news, Andre Ward still isn't fighting anyone

That very same news outlet is also stating that he is still #2 p4p and there is still nothing you can do about it.

 

[krackdagawd]

JMM had NEVER fought above 135 before fighting Floyd 2 divisions higher at 147.

At the time of their fight, JMM (in your words) "had no proven capability at Welterweight", but yet you wanna give credit to Floyd for that victory, but take away from SOG who was the one being called out....not the other way around as you keep presenting it

It would be as if Ward calls out GGG and says he wants to and will fight him at 160 for the Middleweight Championship.

Throughout camp/press conferences/interviews Ward constantly says he feels great at the weight.

Fight night comes and then GGG beats his ass thoroughly while embarrassing him and forcing him to quit, and then #SOGGang blames GGG for beating Ward's ass at 160 saying it wasnt fair or it wasnt Ward at his best

Nope. WARD was called out at 168 by Dawson, not the other way around

How many times have we argued this point in thering

Call a nikka out and say you'll fight him at his weight class, get your ass whooped and blame the weight brehs. Yet somehow this is Ward's fault

 

[Newzz]

At the end of the day...Marquez career best win occured in the same weight class that Floyd trounced him in...he's proven to be a capable Welterweight by beating a top Welterweight. Dawson has never even faced a top Super Middleweight, let alone beat one (prior to or after facing Ward).

NOW...If Dawson were to sign a fight with say Froch or Andre Dirrell or somebody like that at Super Middleweight, and put the beats on 'em, THEN it would put Ward's win in greater context.

Yeah....Im glad you dont have anything to do with the rankings of boxing because what you're saying I totally disagree with.


Bernard Hopkins beat Winky Wright in Winky's ONLY fight at Light Heavy....does that mean the fight doesnt count because Winky "had no proven capability at light heavyweight"?


There are TONS of these fights throughout history and I could do this all day breh.


Chad Dawson called out Andre Ward at 168, not the other way around. Because Ward beat him, how are you gonna say it basically doesnt count for WARD? Like Ward was licking his chops looking to fight "Bad Chad"


GGG is challenging Floyd at 154 and has been calling him out for about a year now. If Floyd beats GGG at 154, does that mean that Floyd's win doesnt count as well?

 

[Scottie Drippin]

That very same news outlet is also stating that he is still #2 p4p and there is still nothing you can do about it.

Except take him off the list after he loses a 15-rounder with inactivity.

 

[krackdagawd]

Except take him off the list after he loses a 15-rounder with inactivity.

Almost a year and we ain't off yet

Keep praying on our downfall though, it's the ONLY thing you can do.

 

[seemorecizzy]

JMM had NEVER fought above 135 before fighting Floyd 2 divisions higher at 147.

At the time of their fight, JMM (in your words) "had no proven capability at Welterweight", but yet you wanna give credit to Floyd for that victory, but take away from SOG who was the one being called out.

at the end of the day, dawson should have asked for a different weight
ward just agreed to what dawson said, cant blame him for that
was ward supposed to be like "no no you might be weight drained at this weight, lets do something else"
chad a fool for that, cant blame your boy for that one

marquez the one that called floyd out so its a different situation
if you call someone out, u should be willing to go to their division. simple as that

floyd did him a little dirty with not coming in as the contracted weight, but he was so dominant and clearly better than marquez that almost everyone ignored it, even marquez
the floyd lost is the only l on his record he believes is legit and marquez thinks he gets robbed every fight. he once said you need two boxers in the ring at the same time to beat floyd

 

[Newzz]

at the end of the day, dawson should have asked for a different weight
ward just agreed to what dawson said, cant blame him for that
was ward supposed to be like "no no you might be weight drained at this weight, lets do something else"
chad a fool for that, cant blame your boy for that one

marquez the one that called floyd out so its a different situation
if you call someone out, u should be willing to go to their division. simple as that

floyd did him a little dirty with not coming in as the contracted weight, but he was so dominant and clearly better than marquez that almost everyone ignored it, even marquez
the floyd lost is the only l on his record he believes is legit and marquez thinks he gets robbed every fight. he once said you need two boxers in the ring at the same time to beat floyd

Floyd whooped JMM's ass

I was just using it for sake of argument because JMM had never done anything at 147 before fighting Floyd, and by his logic, that win for Floyd didnt count until Manny vs JMM 4 happened.

Dawson wanted that work and was cocky enough to believe he could beat Ward at 168....and got humiliated for his efforts.

How we gonna play Monday Morning Quarterback and say the victory doesnt count when DAWSON wanted the fight at 168...Ward didnt tell him to meet him there or call him out

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

You mean most feared commentator.

 

[Crakface]

Ward needs 5 get some gangsters in his corner

 

[krackdagawd]

Ward needs 5 get some gangsters in his corner

He already has

Team Mayweather already know what J Prince about

 

[Mr. Somebody]

He already has

Team Mayweather already know what J Prince about

Well are we surprised that he isnt getting championship fights now? Prince may need to take an L on some of those proceeds with other promotions if he wants ward to get his shine before its to late.

 

[5010]

I don't have a problem with Ward's position considering how great of a fighter he is, but at the same time he's missed out on some really good opportunities.

He fukked up not fighting Lucian Bute. Bute at the time had a big buzz at the time (I remember dumb CACadians at the time saying he could beat Ward). Would've been a great opportunity to go to Canada, get good payday and really put his name out there further. He should've been the guy that exposed Bute. But he let his ego get the best of him there and Carl Froch ended up being the one to do it. And it's no surprise that his stock has gone way up since then. And now it looks like Ward is hurting for a Froch rematch (while Froch wants no parts of him).

Ward my man, but he fukked up not getting that Bute fight IMO

You're right, but only in hindsight.

Ward was 100% right in his assessment of his resume compared to Bute's. It was also fair to say Bute needed to beat someone like Froch or Kessler, first... It just backfired.

After the Super Six I knew Ward would run through Bute, but I don't know anybody that had Froch doing that. I literally bet on Froch off gut instinct before the opening round and got him at +170.