Is Alchemist bringing back the essence?...

[L. Deezy]

Son this nikka been blessing projects for the last 8 years easily. shyt Covert Coup >>>> ur argument.

Its all slow head nod music thats too repetitive.

He a better technical producer than Havoc, but Id take a full Havoc production project over Alc..

 

[Mowgli]

the 1st infamous album is classic to me.

Album has some strong ass songs and some moments where you thought it was gonna be a classic but there's enough weak beats to say that's a negative.

You listen to his discography you'll also come across some serious skipping moments

 

[Ziploc]

I think he just services the artists that are into that drumless lane and it bleeds over into his other stuff.AE with P has some of those moments but you can tell he needed to apply knocking drums to complement P's cadence.I do think that wave is getting a bit of a cop out for some cats..the vibe of the chops carries the song while the rhymes are at best repetitive one liners and weak metafors

 

[904]

Come on with the dumb shyt

Alc isn't the first producer to use drumless beats.. That's not even a white boy thing

And not all his beats recently have been drumless

 

[darealvelle]

alc production aint what is used to be since he switched from asr-10 to mpc, and imo worse off when he started on the 2500. also, alchemist self admitted that he was weak in the drum game.

pretty sure he switched to euro/eclectic sounds because of copyright shyt and to keep sample pirates guessin

This whole Whosampled.com era done ruined sampling for a lot of producers.

 

[darealvelle]

Come on with the dumb shyt

Alc isn't the first producer to use drumless beats.. That's not even a white boy thing

And not all his beats recently have been drumless

Jake One has one of illest drum pattern games out there as far as boombap production

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Listen to The Alchemist feat Conway, Westside Gunn & Schoolboy Q - "Fork In The Pot" by Alan The Chemist on #SoundCloud

 

[ManBearPig]

of whiteness?

Before black people reinvented modern music, it sounded like this.







Kinda like this...





Not a drum in sight.

That’s how all his recent shyt has been...very little drums, or even no drums at all. His lil homie Daringer too.

This gets quite confusing to think about. It’s like full circle culture vulturing or something.

I'm not a super drum fan but I see u left this out

 

[Youseenmywork]

He can be a snoozefest when given a whole project.

So we gon act FETTI never happen huh

 

[Youseenmywork]

the booth is done

Sometimes I don’t come to this section cause nikkas be on some goofy shyt or say some goofy shyt ...if anything this man has been on a roll ...him and madlib both really.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

He's yet to produce a classic hip-hop album

I agree. And that's basically the only thing he hasn't accomplished as a producer. That and he's never done a beat for Jay. He's pretty much done everything else. I think he could manage to have one if he does a full album with Gibbs.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Sometimes it can take a long time to find a good snare trust me.
I find myself going back to old records before I use some of the kits that come out.

The funny thing is Alchemist's drums have always been very very similar to RZA's. Sometimes they're loud, sometimes they're in the middle, sometimes they're only in the sample, and sometimes they're not there at all.

RZA never gets criticism in his early work for not having the best drums. His sample flipping and collage skills and overall creativity outweigh the drum weakness. Alc is in the same boat IMO. Obviously he hasn't produced multiple classic albums like RZA has, but I do think it's funny that Alc get a lot of drum criticisms and other producers like Madlib that also don't have the most impeccable drum games don't seem to get criticized for it.

It is what it is. He's admitted before that his drums aren't the best. Also it heavily depends on the rapper. They ultimately choose the beats. If you listen to Benny, he always picks ALC beats with drums, where Conway or WSG are less likely to. Boldy James loves hard drums, and if you listen to the album they did, My 1st Chemistry Set, which dropped in the prime era of Al's drumless loop work, damn near every beat on there had respectable to dope drum work.

Spoiler

And not all his beats recently have been drumless

Most of them haven't unless it's WSG or sometimes Conway picking them. He went through that drumless era from like 2012-2015 and then now it's way more a mix of both. Like I said, it depends on who is doing the beat picking. You ain't ever gonna hear drumless beats from Al if the rapper is Benny, Evidence, etc. OP also mentioned Daringer, and if you listen to Benny'd debut album Tana Talk 3 from 2018, the only beat I can think of on that whole project of 15 tracks without drums is the very last song. No one else produced on that album but Alchemist and Daringer and it just dropped around Thanksgiving.

 

[BUSINESS AS USUAL]

Alc been fell off and i cant stand daringer either..thats why conway stuck in the mud like over half his ish is no drums just sample..boring as hell and has no replay value..alchemist fell off bad he used to be top 5-7 to me but i cant remember the last real banger from him its been so long...all these bum rapper projects now he does shows hes washed

 

[darealvelle]

Btw Alchemist does have a classic album its called "Covert Coup"

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Alc been fell off and i cant stand daringer either..thats why conway stuck in the mud like over half his ish is no drums just sample..boring as hell and has no replay value..alchemist fell off bad he used to be top 5-7 to me but i cant remember the last real banger from him its been so long...all these bum rapper projects now he does shows hes washed

You don't fukk with the most recent beats Conway's taken from Al? They may not be dope to you but they do have drums.When I think no drums I think of the last joint I'm posting below.





Both beats on this next one have drums


This is what I think when I think no drums