If the party knows they have you in their pocket, why would they buckle to any of your complaints?
Interesting article. Why I Wont Be Voting For Barack Obama. By a liberal.
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BlvdBrawler
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it's people like you that let that idiot bush into office. You should be ashamed of yourself. I wasn't old enough to vote yet but I coulda told you bush was a bad idea.
In fairness...
If Romney really had a chance in hell, I'd vote Obama just to keep him out of office.
I'm sayin, it's not about being in "the middle". it's about being classified on a scale that only has 2 choices. the way it's set up, anyone can be seen as being an extension of one of the 2 parties
left <---> right
liberal <---> conservative
democrat <---> republican
It's not the parties we should bs trying to change it's the candidates. Take the republican party for example, there are plenty of different ideologies within the party. People can steer that party in the direction they want by supporting/voting in the candidate that agrees with them the most within the party. Voting for ron Paul won't change anything. Parties change with the people and the times. Today's republican party isn't the same as it was 20 years ago.
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I've come to this conclusion of voting Gary Johnson as well. Mitt is an absolute douchebag, but Obama is a lying devil so it's really a lose lose situation. Gary Johnson and I share the same opinion on a variety of views, from the drug war, to the idea of foreign intervention, to the limited government so I feel he represents my best from the candidates presented. Jill stein us far to left Wing for me, but some of her positions are admirable. Either way, both Obama and Mitt are going to further involve the country in foreign wars as well as continue to bolster the police state.
Obama needs to do like the UK did in the 50's and pull out of all the foreign occupations before our nation is destroyed!
Gary Johnson 2012!
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Obama needs to do like the UK did in the 50's and pull out of all the foreign occupations before our nation is destroyed!
Gary Johnson 2012!
Let's Get Gary on TV
Sorry I'm not understanding what your getting at. A person can only be conservative or liberal. Either you want things to change=liberal or you want things to stay the same=conservative.
The way the two party system hurts us is that most people aren't very active in politics, so they just wait till voting time and vote along party lines. The people who are the most active in politics are usually the crazies on either side. So the candidates pander to the crazies in order to get votes.
Its the parties bruh. The parties have been hijacked by a small faction of the whole thing. All the candidates will have to answer to that faction at the end of the day
Plus these dudes are deceptive as fukk. Look at all the shyt Obama completely changed course or reversed on. Hes not accountable to anyone or anything.
That's my point. If we were all as politically active as the small factions. Then the parties would follow suit. The best way to do this is to support those within the party that are not pandering to the small factions. People do nothing all year to support the candidates they want, so when it's time to vote the only candidates still standing are the ones who pandered to the small factions.
And as far as politicians lying, I agree with you,most times they aren't giving the total truth. But you also have to take into account that they are humans too and can be just as naive as the voters. It may sound good to say all the things you will do once your in office, but once you actually get into to office you see those things can't be done. In Obama's case I think he really believed he could go and change Washington. And he was just as surprised as allot of voters when he couldn't.
You dont realize, a lot of folks within the GOP have given up, because they cannot compete with the nutjobs to get on stage. They would have to compromise so much to get support from the party it wouldn't make sense to run. Look at how they marginalized RP. He had support, he had different ideas. But he ran counter to a LOT of what the "core" chose as views on different items, and from the debates through everything he was marginalized in the media and by his own party
Look at the folks who even bothered to try for the primary. None of them were about progress, they were about ambition. Why? Cause they were willing to completely pander to the folks behind the scene controlling the GOP narrative
Not to mention, you put a lot of faith in even primary voters, as far as how intelligent their voting process is.
I don't see it as being that simple. it seems when many people are pressed on it, they'll say stuff like "well I'm fiscally conservative, but liberal on social issues..."
life is complex, and 'rational' arguments can be made on both sides of many issues. I'm getting off topic, and into more lofty stuff, but that's the way I see things...
That's what im sayin, Ron Paul should have been getting the support of republicans a long time ago, not just this election year. I know plenty of people that I never heard speak of politics before in their life, but now when its time to vote they are Ron Paul supporters. If those Ron Paul supporters were out at rallies and writing letters, and protesting for the last four years then he would have had a platform to stand on. Poloticians pander to the crazies cause they are the ones donating money and standing out at rallies, coming to conventions etc.
It's a known fact that voter turnout is lowest for primaries. Like I said people ignore politics untill it's time to vote, then they wanna complain about which candidates are still standing.
Intelligent and voting proccess shouldn't be in the same sentence, at least not in this country.
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Liberal ≠ Left wing
Liberal normal means centrist
e.g. David Cameron said "I am not naive in believing that democracy alone has some magical healing power. I am a liberal Conservative, not a neoconservative."
Liberal normal means centrist
e.g. David Cameron said "I am not naive in believing that democracy alone has some magical healing power. I am a liberal Conservative, not a neoconservative."
AV Dicey
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The political version of hipsters, i bet you they're drinking pbr whilst lamenting the fact that they will not participate in this democracy, the planet is littered with billions who are not blessed with their options, some even die for the opportunity to elect a less than perfect leader. To paraphrase our right leaning columnist Brooks D, 'maturity is all about accepting mediocrity'. Or as your sainted mother is sure to tell you, 'u gotta settle down my son'. 
Rufus Dufus
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Damn that shyt about the people affected by the drones is sad.