Inside One of the Country's Most Dangerous Schools

[theworldismine13]

In this climate unless your a STEM major there really isnt much benefit to a liberal arts bachelors degree which is the curriculum that is the standard today in high schools. However, I know plenty of dudes making 50,000-70,000 right out of high school or a couple years after due to trades. Ive worked in a high school that was received a D or F 7 years in a row and from my experience most of the kids at the school wasnt interested in the liberal arts curriculum that was forced upon them. Couple that with the standardized testing and merit pay crap and you have a stew as to why overall minorities arent succeeding as a whole in this system.. The stats for black male graduation rates dont lie, im sure you know the numbers.

there are a lot of things wrong with what you are saying

first of all, it doesnt matter how much money a trade person makes, what does that have to do with turning a high school around?

and using your logic the school should be turned into one that focuses on STEM college curriculum

second of all the reason why kids arent interested in a liberal arts has to do with what happens after and before school, education doesnt happen just at school, it happens outside of school, so if you come from a community or cutlure that doesnt care about a liberal arts education then obviously the student isnt going to care about that either

that is what the school needs to address, so it doesnt matter if you have liberal arts or trade curriculum, that is irrelevant imo, what matters is how its presented and whether the school is addressing outside forces

third of all the reason im asking what is your basis for saying that because to say that black kids should focus on trade is racist, and if its coming from a black person its just incompetent, unless you went around and gave an aptitude test there is no way in hell you would know what a particular student is suited for

the only way turning it it into a trade school would make sense is if it is part of a school choice program where the student can choose to go their by their own choice and its part of a system of schools that have different focus areas, but to take 400 random kids and tell them to focus on trade is not a good idea

im sure you mean well and its a brainstorm, but there is no logical reason to look at that tv report and say lets skip literature and history and put them into trade school, thats just i think you should step back and think about what logical steps led you to think black kids belong in a trade, its 2013 by the way

 

[CACtain Planet]

there are a lot of things wrong with what you are saying

first of all, it doesnt matter how much money a trade person makes, what does that have to do with turning a high school around?

and using your logic the school should be turned into one that focuses on STEM college curriculum

second of all the reason why kids arent interested in a liberal arts has to do with what happens after and before school, education doesnt happen just at school, it happens outside of school, so if you come from a community or cutlure that doesnt care about a liberal arts education then obviously the student isnt going to care about that either

that is what the school needs to address, so it doesnt matter if you have liberal arts or trade curriculum, that is irrelevant imo, what matters is how its presented and whether the school is addressing outside forces

third of all the reason im asking what is your basis for saying that because to say that black kids should focus on trade is racist, and if its coming from a black person its just incompetent, unless you went around and gave an aptitude test there is no way in hell you would know what a particular student is suited for

the only way turning it it into a trade school would make sense is if it is part of a school choice program where the student can choose to go their by their own choice and its part of a system of schools that have different focus areas, but to take 400 random kids and tell them to focus on trade is not a good idea

im sure you mean well and its a brainstorm, but there is no logical reason to look at that tv report and say lets skip literature and history and put them into trade school, thats just i think you should step back and think about what logical steps led you to think black kids belong in a trade, its 2013 by the way

How is it racists to say that black a school should have programs focused on trades? Keep in mind I never said that liberal arts curriculum should be done away with, I said their should be programs that are focused on trades...Ive come to this conclusion from the statistics on the national black male dropout rate and my own experiences in the system. NOT EVERYONE IS CUT OUT FOR LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE EDUCATION. So there should be trade programs for those who prefer a career straight out of high school.

 

[Serious]

Socially I feel that college is important.

Mos def, the character building is essential. In many intenses it serves as a melting pot, which likely won't occur too often after college and most likely won't happen at all if an individual never went to college.


Felt like I was at baskin robbins(31 flavors ) everyday at school.

 

[theworldismine13]

How is it racists to say that black a school should have programs focused on trades?

you never heard the story of how malcom x's teacher told him he should be a lawyer because he was black?

telling black kids that they arent cut out for college so they should focus on trades is definitely racist, there is no way you can tell that unless you give a person an aptitude test

Keep in mind I never said that liberal arts curriculum should be done away with, I said their should be programs that are focused on trades...Ive come to this conclusion from the statistics on the national black male dropout rate and my own experiences in the system.

and i never said you shouldnt have trade, i just dont see what that has to with anything, the dropout rate has nothing to do with lack of trade programs, it has to do with black students who live in a community and culture that doesnt promote education and college

if the only time you hear about college is when you are at school then yeah of course most people arent going to pay attention, if its not reinforced by your community and your culture then you are more likely to dropout, its not because of any particular program

now if the program whether its liberal arts or trade is presented and organized with the understanding that when the student steps out the school they are bombarded with anti academic ideas, then it can work, but the actual material being presented is not important, its the presentation and the organization that matters

NOT EVERYONE IS CUT OUT FOR LIBERAL ARTS COLLEGE EDUCATION.

YOU HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT SOMEBODY IS CUT OUT FOR UNLESS YOU GIVE AN APTITUDE TEST AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HISTORY, ENGLISH, MATH AND SCIENCE AND GETTING A BROAD EDUCATION

AND EVERY STUDENT NEEDS A LIBERAL ARTS EDUCATION THAT PREPARES YOU FOR COLLEGE EVEN IF YOU DON'T GO TO COLLEGE BECAUSE A BROAD LIBERAL ARTS IS IMPORTANT IN THE INTELLECTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PERSON, THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTRY

So there should be trade programs for those who prefer a career straight out of high school.

yes i agree there should be choices, but that isnt the fundamental thing going on in this school, what is going on here is what is going outside of the school which is a culture and a community that doesn't emphasize education

 

[88m3]

Mos def, the character building is essential. In many intenses it serves as a melting pot, which likely won't occur too often after college and most likely won't happen at all if an individual never went to college.


Felt like I was at baskin robbins(31 flavors ) everyday at school.

exactly

 

[CACtain Planet]

you never heard the story of how malcom x's teacher told him he should be a lawyer because he was black?

telling black kids that they arent cut out for college so they should focus on trades is definitely racist, there is no way you can tell that unless you give a person an aptitude test




and i never said you shouldnt have trade, i just dont see what that has to with anything, the dropout rate has nothing to do with lack of trade programs, it has to do with black students who live in a community and culture that doesnt promote education and college

if the only time you hear about college is when you are at school then yeah of course most people arent going to pay attention, if its not reinforced by your community and your culture then you are more likely to dropout, its not because of any particular program

now if the program whether its liberal arts or trade is presented and organized with the understanding that when the student steps out the school they are bombarded with anti academic ideas, then it can work, but the actual material being presented is not important, its the presentation and the organization that matters



YOU HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT SOMEBODY IS CUT OUT FOR UNLESS YOU GIVE AN APTITUDE TEST AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HISTORY, ENGLISH, MATH AND SCIENCE AND GETTING A BROAD EDUCATION

AND EVERY STUDENT NEEDS A LIBERAL ARTS EDUCATION THAT PREPARES YOU FOR COLLEGE EVEN IF YOU DON'T GO TO COLLEGE BECAUSE A BROAD LIBERAL ARTS IS IMPORTANT IN THE INTELLECTUAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PERSON, THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTRY



yes i agree there should be choices, but that isnt the fundamental thing going on in this school, what is going on here is what is going outside of the school which is a culture and a community that doesn't emphasize education

1. Just because there are more trade programs in high schools doesnt mean a child can't go to college at some point in their life. What good is it for a person that never was really interested in going to college to push them to go and there first year they drop out because they never really was into it? And now they have all these loans out and no prospect of a good job to pay it back, so now their in default. Ive seen it time and time again in my profession.

Alot of these students as proven by the statistics are just not ready to go straight out of high school to college so instead of forcing a liberal arts curriculum and risks them dropping out to become apart of the prison system it is best to teach them a trade so that the likelihood of them dropping out because of being disinterested in school is minimized. My basis for this is the school to prison pipeline, im sure your familiar with this.

2. I believe the dropout rate has risen over the years among young black males due to cutting of funds for trade programs and increased focused on standardized test via the Bush and Obama administrations.

3. And unfortunately the school system can't fix the neighborhood situation.. So instead they should fund programs that increases their likelihood to make a decent living when they graduate.. Trades is the way

4. A liberal arts education is not necessary for intellectual development, sounds like more liberal bullshyt for standardized testing to me Unless you got some numbers to back that up I dont believe that to be true at all. Some of the most intelligent people I know are mechanics, plumbers, electricians, etc.. and dropped out of high school and didnt go to college.. But their paper is longer than folk who have bachelor's degrees in shyt like psychology and english..these people are builders of society which takes alot of intellect. Not just COGS in the machine for some corporation which doesnt take much intellect

 

[theworldismine13]

1. Just because there are more trade programs in high schools doesnt mean a child can't go to college at some point in their life. What good is it for a person that never was really interested in going to college to push them to go and there first year they drop out because they never really was into it? And now they have all these loans out and no prospect of a good job to pay it back, so now their in default. Ive seen it time and time again in my profession.

Alot of these students as proven by the statistics are just not ready to go straight out of high school to college so instead of forcing a liberal arts curriculum and risks them dropping out to become apart of the prison system it is best to teach them a trade so that the likelihood of them dropping out because of being disinterested in school is minimized. My basis for this is the school to prison pipeline, im sure your familiar with this.

1. Just because there are more trade programs in high schools doesnt mean a child can't go to college at some point in their life. What good is it for a person that never was really interested in going to college to push them to go and there first year they drop out because they never really was into it? And now they have all these loans out and no prospect of a good job to pay it back, so now their in default. Ive seen it time and time again in my profession.

people should do whatever the hell they want, i dont see how you can tell if these students what to go to college or not or what they want to do,

what is the point of putting somebody in a trade they are not interested, what is the point of pushing someone in a trade they are not interested in?

ive seen time and time again, people going to college and doing fine, ive seen people drop out of trade school, ive seen people in trade jobs that get laid off and living of unemployment or end up working at fast food, we can trade stories all day

i dont see what you are basing that on, you can only know what a student is good for by giving them an aptitude test or they tell you what they are interested in

Alot of these students as proven by the statistics are just not ready to go straight out of high school to college so instead of forcing a liberal arts curriculum and risks them dropping out to become apart of the prison system it is best to teach them a trade so that the likelihood of them dropping out because of being disinterested in school is minimized. My basis for this is the school to prison pipeline, im sure your familiar with this.

there is zero evidence that trade schools stop high school dropouts

high school dropouts and prison are caused by the breakdown of the family and communities and cultures that do not emphasize education

having trade schools will not solve that problem, im not against having trade schools, im against the notion the black kids should be put in trade schools as some type of solution, that is retarded and racist

2. I believe the dropout rate has risen over the years among young black males due to cutting of funds for trade programs and increased focused on standardized test via the Bush and Obama administrations.

you can think whatever you want, when you have evidence to back up your statements please let me know

3. And unfortunately the school system can't fix the neighborhood situation.. So instead they should fund programs that increases their likelihood to make a decent living when they graduate.. Trades is the way

the only important thing is that students graduate and be prepared to go to college, what i student does after they graduate is up to them

4. A liberal arts education is not necessary for intellectual development, sounds like more liberal bullshyt for standardized testing to me Unless you got some numbers to back that up I dont believe that to be true at all. Some of the most intelligent people I know are mechanics, plumbers, electricians, etc.. and dropped out of high school and didnt go to college.. But their paper is longer than folk who have bachelor's degrees in shyt like psychology and english..these people are builders of society which takes alot of intellect. Not just COGS in the machine for some corporation which doesnt take much intellect

you do not need to go to high school to learn a trade either

and wait a minute what does having money have to do with intellectual development?

the numbers show that people that go through high school, know people that take classes about math, science and history and english know more about math, science, history and english

the numbers show in SAT scores in in other tests