Inflation Reduction Act: 8/12/22 - $740B Bill PASSES, Biden signs it into law!

[storyteller]

I was being funny more than anything because AOC is his antithesis on climate and with the union workers going public with their position on him effectively walking away from BBB, he's in a leverageable spot.

They are afraid of letting progressives get too much stage time because they fear having to counter the "radical left" and "socialist" attacks the other side are going to hurl at them.

100% spot on. I think the miscalculation they make is not realizing how many non-voters or Independent types that the progressive messaging could tap into. I don't think adding in appeals to progressives would necessarily incur MORE negative partisanship (voting against a certain candidate rather than for the person you select on a ballot), mainly because even without progressives the right portrays Democrats as socialist and kowtowing to the radical left (best example of this are the multitude of threads recently about Re-Funding the police amid crime waves when the police were never defunded in most cases and the crime data shows a downtick in crime rather than an uptick...and this one's powered by neolibs almost as often as conservatives).

I think the Democrats are refusing to come around to the obvious, which is that they suck at messaging strategies regardless of the quality of policy or position they're supporting. The progressive wing has had some of the most effective messaging to their own constituents of anyone in politics. Even if it doesn't all translate, the Dems really ought to at least see if there's something to help there.

Edit: I remember Sam Seder joking that if Progressives really wanna threaten Manchin, they'd threaten to go campaign for him. He'd panic more about being connected to a Bowman or AOC than he would at them going to WV and attacking him.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Foxmulder]

Nah fukk a AOC. Send Gillibrand or somebody like that.

 

[Miles Davis]

Nah fukk a AOC. Send Gillibrand or somebody like that.

The same gillibrand that he played with the paid leave?

 

[AquaCityBoy]

The same gillibrand that he played with the paid leave?

Yes.

Bernie, AOC and the squad can scream about Manchin until they're blue in the face, but it's going in one ear and out the other for most people. You need somebody who's known as more of a moderate to actually call him out for a change.

My choices would be either Gillibrand because she had to chase him down and beg him to consider her plan for family leave, or Warnock because Manchin's opposition to voting rights is screwing him in his reelection campaign next year.

 

[acri1]

Yes.

Bernie, AOC and the squad can scream about Manchin until they're blue in the face, but it's going in one ear and out the other for most people. You need somebody who's known as more of a moderate to actually call him out for a change.

My choices would be either Gillibrand because she had to chase him down and beg him to consider her plan for family leave, or Warnock because Manchin's opposition to voting rights is screwing him in his reelection campaign next year.

I don't see much reason to think Manchin would care regardless of the messenger. They could send white Jesus and I still doubt he'd change his mind.

 

[Atlrocafella]

I don't see much reason to think Manchin would care regardless of the messenger. They could send white Jesus and I still doubt he'd change his mind.

Corporate donations to Sen. Joe Manchin’s PAC surged as he fought President Biden’s agenda

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/21/joe...rate-donations-as-he-fought-biden-agenda.html

MoneyBagg Manchin eating good off this, he ain’t got no worries.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Another round of stimulus checks instead of child credit

Stop punishing adults smart enough to not bring kids into this current reality

 

[AquaCityBoy]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/21/joe...rate-donations-as-he-fought-biden-agenda.html

MoneyBagg Manchin eating good off this, he ain’t got no worries.

The fact that a corporate media outlet like CNBC of all places is even talking about Manchin's donors is telling enough.

They love to portray him as an "Aw, shucks!" Good Ol' Boy who just has 'concerns' about what this massive liberal spending is doing to the hard-working folks of West Virginia.

 

[CrimsonTider]

If Biden can just wipe $10K student loan debt as he promised, all will be forgiven.

what about the class of 2022?

 

[Jesus H. Christ]

Yes.

Bernie, AOC and the squad can scream about Manchin until they're blue in the face, but it's going in one ear and out the other for most people. You need somebody who's known as more of a moderate to actually call him out for a change.

My choices would be either Gillibrand because she had to chase him down and beg him to consider her plan for family leave, or Warnock because Manchin's opposition to voting rights is screwing him in his reelection campaign next year.

That's not true considering that the 3.5 trillion package is popular in WV. You're not sending an AOC to WV to convince people. You're sending AOC to grab headlines and tell Manchin on why he refuses to get in line with what the folks in WV want.

Nobody has time to be chasing, begging, or sweet talking Manchin. Look how that turned out

 

[AquaCityBoy]

That's not true considering that the 3.5 trillion package is popular in WV. You're not sending an AOC to WV to convince people. You're sending AOC to grab headlines and tell Manchin on why he refuses to get in line with what the folks in WV want.

Nobody cares what AOC has to say. Send her to WV and you're likely to have the opposite effect and Manchin actually look like the reasonable one.

After Bernie wrote that op-ed in a West Virginia newspaper, Manchin wrote a response talmbout, "Some self-proclaimed socialist from Vermont isn't gonna tell me about West Virginia! " And people sided with Manchin on that on some, "Yeah, you tell em! " shyt.

Anything you're saying can be done much better by more moderate Dems who are actually screwed by Manchin's actions like Warnock or Gillibrand. They won't do it, but they're less likely to alienate people as the 'far left' gripers like Bernie and the squad.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

lol @ gilibrand - an actually pretty liberal face of feminazism - or warnock - a black man - being sent to parlay in WV. isn't this when people like Sherrod Brown are supposed to come into play?

 

[Pressure]

lol @ gilibrand - an actually pretty liberal face of feminazism - or warnock - a black man - being sent to parlay in WV. isn't this when people like Sherrod Brown are supposed to come into play?

 

[AquaCityBoy]

lol @ gilibrand - an actually pretty liberal face of feminazism - or warnock - a black man - being sent to parlay in WV. isn't this when people like Sherrod Brown are supposed to come into play?

I'd be all for that. Just don't bring out Bernie or the squad.

We could swap out Warnock for Ossoff but I don't know if that would play any better since he's a Jew.