Inflation Reduction Act: 8/12/22 - $740B Bill PASSES, Biden signs it into law!

[the cac mamba]

Just keep beating this fact into the ground and repeat it constantly because we know there's a subset of Dem supporters that are waiting to spin this against progressives any chance they get (Nap's the obvious example, this is somehow Bernie's fault to him I'm sure ).

progressives are embarrassingly gassed up

they represent 20 percent of the country at best, but they act like they should get everything they want and be able to turn the country into venezuela overnight. so they take an all or nothing approach, and then they get nothing

Manchin was obviously lying. He didn't want it to pass and would've just come up with some other excuse.

he didnt want it to pass because it was too much at once

dems had 59 senators in 2009. if that was where the country is right now, manchin wouldnt even be a fukkin issue

 

[storyteller]

Point to the last president who accomplished their agenda in the first year?


It doesn't matter. Trump was extremely popular within his constituency and still lost the house and senate.

American Federal politics isn't designed for swift change or sustained movements

I feel like that's a Third-Way philosophy and not exactly the truth with FDR being such an obvious counterpoint. I generally don't agree with it just from having seen reps at virtually every level rewarded when they do something the constituents that they represent actually want and support (ie: Sawant beating the recall effort). On the opposite end, I've also seen reps enact legislation that is good for people but which constituents don't support for one reason or another and have that backfire (I can't remember the Republican's name, but he passed a bill for vets with bipartisan support and got ousted for working with Dems lol).

But yes, you must be very old fashioned, because what you're saying hasn't been the case in my child or adult life going back to Bush 1.

Nah, I got really into this stuff around Bush 2 (earlier but not with enough comprehension to brag much on it) and it was going strong. I remember this even during Obama:
Why the First 100 Days Matters

Here's a clearly liberal media example:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/obama/100days/index.html

Here's one that does the last three presidents:
BIDEN'S FIRST 100 DAYS: Charts show how they compare with Trump's, Obama's, Bush's, and Clinton's

At this point in the previous administration he'd only accomplished tax cuts.

Obamacare didn't pass until 2010

Atthis point Biden has passed Covid relief and the infrastructure deal.

He has another year and a month before he'd lose control of the house or senate.

I remember seeing one of Obama's strategists' saying that they screwed up by not broadcasting his tax cuts (particularly payroll related). It's definitely a combination of making sure the people feel the impact and know who's responsible. The problem with your examples are they aren't felt. The COVID relief was good, but on expiration dates. The infrastructure deal isn't being felt yet. The poll numbers reflect this clear as day and I'm skeptical that the Infrastructure bill will be enough to turn the tide, feel free to disagree because that's purely my speculation.

He had another year and month, which sounds like a lot but if legislation is passed that isn't felt then it will fall right into the paragraph above. They need to make moves that Americans can feel and recognize as "thanks to the Dems." That'd actually be easier with a couple of executive orders. Dude could probably make up a ton of good will by just legalizing weed federally or using executive privilege to pass one or two promises that are within his power to do so. Either way, I don't see the evidence that Democratic leadership has done well strategically when we talk about winning elections and I also think their efforts to help the people have been harmfully neutered by the likes of Manchin, Sinema, and the worst of the Blue Dogs. It's not the progressives holding up legislation, even if that's what some of the more radical lefties were rooting for. If the polling doesn't flip, it's gotta land squarely on the shoulders of the centrists. No passing the buck to Progressives that even sacrificed some credibility with their most vehement supporters in the name of getting that Infrastructure bill passed at least.

 

[storyteller]

progressives are embarrassingly gassed up

they represent 20 percent of the country at best, but they act like they should get everything they want and be able to turn the country into venezuela overnight. so they take an all or nothing approach, and then they get nothing

he didnt want it to pass because it was too much at once

dems had 59 senators in 2009. if that was where the country is right now, manchin wouldnt even be a fukkin issue

Yeah, accurate, we're trying to become Venezuela

Anyway, shyt ain't relevant since my point was Progressives didn't get any of their asks and still went along with the NeoLibs to get some shyt through at the margins. They played ball, the blue dogs refused.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Where the clowns who said Joe Manchin wasn’t the problem? Where are the clowns who said after Congress passed the infrastructure bill that Biden gave the progressives “assurances?” You lot were wrong again as usual. Now they want to try pass a voting rights bill without reconciliation. We need voting rights reform but Manchin isn’t gonna let it pass. This is an epic failure for the Biden administration. He agenda got sabotaged by two blue dog Democrats. Dems are fukked next year.

Correct me if I’m wrong,wasn’t manchin good with the BBB that the house passed? Isn’t he the sole reason it’s 1.75 trillion

I truly don’t understand why he is talking about the CTC being tied to people working, like how are you trying to put stipulations on something That you said you were ok with at the last minute

this is pure evil

I’m trying understand this a$$hole Manchin. Why is he a Democrat in the 1st place? He’s a Red State Senator in fukkin West Virginia who’s a Democrat who voted for all the conservative judges that were nominated under Trump.

This dude is trying kill a President from his own fukkin Party.

I don’t understand this at all why is he a Democrat?

fukk manchin but you don’t get the last relief bill and the infrastructure bill passed if Manchin is a Republican

 

[mastermind]

I feel like that's a Third-Way philosophy and not exactly the truth with FDR being such an obvious counterpoint. I generally don't agree with it just from having seen reps at virtually every level rewarded when they do something the constituents that they represent actually want and support (ie: Sawant beating the recall effort). On the opposite end, I've also seen reps enact legislation that is good for people but which constituents don't support for one reason or another and have that backfire (I can't remember the Republican's name, but he passed a bill for vets with bipartisan support and got ousted for working with Dems lol).




Nah, I got really into this stuff around Bush 2 (earlier but not with enough comprehension to brag much on it) and it was going strong. I remember this even during Obama:
Why the First 100 Days Matters

Here's a clearly liberal media example:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/obama/100days/index.html

Here's one that does the last three presidents:
BIDEN'S FIRST 100 DAYS: Charts show how they compare with Trump's, Obama's, Bush's, and Clinton's





I remember seeing one of Obama's strategists' saying that they screwed up by not broadcasting his tax cuts (particularly payroll related). It's definitely a combination of making sure the people feel the impact and know who's responsible. The problem with your examples are they aren't felt. The COVID relief was good, but on expiration dates. The infrastructure deal isn't being felt yet. The poll numbers reflect this clear as day and I'm skeptical that the Infrastructure bill will be enough to turn the tide, feel free to disagree because that's purely my speculation.

He had another year and month, which sounds like a lot but if legislation is passed that isn't felt then it will fall right into the paragraph above. They need to make moves that Americans can feel and recognize as "thanks to the Dems." That'd actually be easier with a couple of executive orders. Dude could probably make up a ton of good will by just legalizing weed federally or using executive privilege to pass one or two promises that are within his power to do so. Either way, I don't see the evidence that Democratic leadership has done well strategically when we talk about winning elections and I also think their efforts to help the people have been harmfully neutered by the likes of Manchin, Sinema, and the worst of the Blue Dogs. It's not the progressives holding up legislation, even if that's what some of the more radical lefties were rooting for. If the polling doesn't flip, it's gotta land squarely on the shoulders of the centrists. No passing the buck to Progressives that even sacrificed some credibility with their most vehement supporters in the name of getting that Infrastructure bill passed at least.

A lot of the brehs on here have been red-pilled by that Democratic Party consultant class and MSNBC. When they say, "it doesn't matter" it is a sign that they have eaten it up. That is what a lot of us mean when we say it's basically sports rivalries. When you go slightly below the surface, most of these brehs are vapid as fukk and don't have an original thought except what some piece of shyt like James Carville says.

 

[the cac mamba]

Yeah, accurate, we're trying to become Venezuela

Anyway, shyt ain't relevant since my point was Progressives didn't get any of their asks and still went along with the NeoLibs to get some shyt through at the margins. They played ball, the blue dogs refused.

if progressives want a bunch of shyt, and manchin doesnt care if it passes at all, then he dictates the terms. thats not even politics, its just basic negotiation and leverage

dont the dems get reconciliation twice again next year? maybe they can give it another shot

 

[storyteller]

if progressives want a bunch of shyt, and manchin doesnt care if it passes at all, then he dictates the terms. thats not even politics, its just basic negotiation and leverage

dont the dems get reconciliation twice again next year? maybe they can give it another shot

I feel like we’re having two completely different conversations .

My point is the progressives didn’t get shyt but went along with the centrists and let them have their way. If the polling continues like this and Manchin keeps flexing his leverage, then the results fall squarely on him and the centrists. I’m not talking about leverage or whatever; I’m just saying don’t blame the poll numbers on some bullshyt. Progressives literally gave away their leverage to make sure at least the infrastructure bill passes which is what the neolibs wanted.

so to make this as simple as possible: if the Dems lose a bunch of seats after progressives fell in line and let their leadership have their way bc of manchin…then I don’t want to hear revisionist bullshyt about how losses are on progressives.

 

[storyteller]

A lot of the brehs on here have been red-pilled by that Democratic Party consultant class and MSNBC. When they say, "it doesn't matter" it is a sign that they have eaten it up. That is what a lot of us mean when we say it's basically sports rivalries. When you go slightly below the surface, most of these brehs are vapid as fukk and don't have an original thought except what some piece of shyt like James Carville says.

But it bugs me out, because even by the logic of “we’re gonna lose anyway” wouldn’t that mean MORE urgency to get shyt done? If by their own logic the seats are lost bc that’s just how it goes, then they’ve given themselves a two-year window to make an impact. Why wouldn’t they push for more?

It’s a self-defeating and handwashing killer combo built on logic that I can’t even figure out. If Biden has no ability to change the results, he might as well just push his whole damned agenda through right away regardless of who gets mad. It ain’t changing the results one way or another.

 

[mastermind]

But it bugs me out, because even by the logic of “we’re gonna lose anyway” wouldn’t that mean MORE urgency to get shyt done? If by their own logic the seats are lost bc that’s just how it goes, then they’ve given themselves a two-year window to make an impact. Why wouldn’t they push for more?

It’s a self-defeating and handwashing killer combo built on logic that I can’t even figure out. If Biden has no ability to change the results, he might as well just push his whole damned agenda through right away regardless of who gets mad. It ain’t changing the results one way or another.

You would think it would be balls to the wall and go all out, but they have out cynical'd themselves into thinking nothing is possible except settling political scores that help no one. Its bizarre, but that is the Democratic Party now, and a lot of people on here have eaten that up.

Its like some weird 1984 shyt where dreams are dead.

In the strangest way, I feel like the Biden-types, and a lot of posters on here, think the world is fine and it is amazing.

 

[NZA]

I feel like we’re having two completely different conversations .

My point is the progressives didn’t get shyt but went along with the centrists and let them have their way. If the polling continues like this and Manchin keeps flexing his leverage, then the results fall squarely on him and the centrists. I’m not talking about leverage or whatever; I’m just saying don’t blame the poll numbers on some bullshyt. Progressives literally gave away their leverage to make sure at least the infrastructure bill passes which is what the neolibs wanted.

so to make this as simple as possible: if the Dems lose a bunch of seats after progressives fell in line and let their leadership have their way bc of manchin…then I don’t want to hear revisionist bullshyt about how losses are on progressives.

damned if you do, damned if you don't

 

[storyteller]

You would think it would be balls to the wall and go all out, but they have out cynical'd themselves into thinking nothing is possible except settling political scores that help no one. Its bizarre, but that is the Democratic Party now, and a lot of people on here have eaten that up.

Its like some weird 1984 shyt where dreams are dead.

In the strangest way, I feel like the Biden-types, and a lot of posters on here, think the world is fine and it is amazing.

I get the general vibe that they're on a Steven Pinker-type of tip. Which is like "the world is getting better, things are getting better, people just don't always realize it." And that's a good way to reassure yourself about the incrementalism of the Democratic party for the past 30 years or so.

My version is more like "some things have gotten way better, but some things are getting worse or not improving in meaningful ways." Which leads to wanting more done, at least in certain areas.

The sports analogy definitely does fit the majority of voters I talk to about issues from all-sides though. I think the news cycle and design is a big player in that, since they cover issues like a horse race and are in perpetual election coverage.

 

[Jesus H. Christ]

a lot of you didn't want this to pass so I guess take your victory lap with Manchin

FOH This isn't a black or white issue. People don't want it because it's crumbs and deeply opposed Manchin at the same time.

i was fine with the best parts of it passing

i'd love a detailed accounting of why 1.75 trillion dollars wasn't enough to pass the best parts of it

You know why. Come on now.

 

[Jesus H. Christ]

progressives are embarrassingly gassed up

they represent 20 percent of the country at best, but they act like they should get everything they want and be able to turn the country into venezuela overnight. so they take an all or nothing approach, and then they get nothing

he didnt want it to pass because it was too much at once

dems had 59 senators in 2009. if that was where the country is right now, manchin wouldnt even be a fukkin issue

It's true that there is not enough Progressives in the house or Senate. But their economic policies are popular even in red states. And why do you keep on insisting Americans should accept economic policy crumbs? fukk that. I'm glad Americans are snapping out of that narrative.

 

[Voice of Reason]

These folks straight up lied to the people of course this what was going to happen

 

[mastermind]

My version is more like "some things have gotten way better, but some things are getting worse or not improving in meaningful ways." Which leads to wanting more done, at least in certain areas.

Exactly. I think they believe incremental gains can supplement the fall of so many other things in our society.

I don’t understand it. On top of that, it’s this weird political expert shyt that people hop on to justify not doing good for people. It’s that stupid Nate Silver/Carville/Clinton/Obama “I will outsmart you,” shyt.

 

[the cac mamba]

I feel like we’re having two completely different conversations .

My point is the progressives didn’t get shyt but went along with the centrists and let them have their way. If the polling continues like this and Manchin keeps flexing his leverage, then the results fall squarely on him and the centrists. I’m not talking about leverage or whatever; I’m just saying don’t blame the poll numbers on some bullshyt. Progressives literally gave away their leverage to make sure at least the infrastructure bill passes which is what the neolibs wanted.

so to make this as simple as possible: if the Dems lose a bunch of seats after progressives fell in line and let their leadership have their way bc of manchin…then I don’t want to hear revisionist bullshyt about how losses are on progressives.

oh, democrats arent losing in 22 because of progressives. they're losing because electing democrats = covid mandates. electing republicans = leaving you and your kids the fukk alone, to make your own choices

the ironic thing is that BBB failing takes away a massive attack point from republicans they were obviously gonna whine and cry about BBB socialism, but now? theres no "socialist spending bill" that the dems actually put in place so if inflation goes down next year, the republicans just look stupid