in light of lance armstrong, do you believe Tiger Woods or Usain Bolt are clean?

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:what: But what about the people who aren't juicing at all? The athletes doing it clean and natural?? :ld: Clearly they are at a disadvantage. This is fair? :mindblown:

Life ain't fair. :manny: What exactly is clean? If a person passes a test or there is no test does that mean they are clean? If a person cycles off at the right time does that mean their clean? If a person uses supplements to improve their performance that are legal is that clean?

A "clean" athlete has 3 options.
1. Remain "clean" and try your best
2. Take something to keep up
3. Find another line of work.

There is shadiness and corruption and unfair practices in pretty much every industry. I'm so tired of people acting like sports is exempt. This ain't church...which ironically has had it's share of corruption issues. Sports is entertainment and if people were being honest that is all they care about...being entertained. In order for that entertainment to happen certain, not so pleasant, or not so fair things, take place. People need to take the rose colored "Santa is real" glasses off and accept things for what they are.
 

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Life ain't fair. :manny: What exactly is clean? If a person passes a test or there is no test does that mean they are clean? If a person cycles off at the right time does that mean their clean? If a person uses supplements to improve their performance that are legal is that clean?

A "clean" athlete has 3 options.
1. Remain "clean" and try your best
2. Take something to keep up
3. Find another line of work.

There is shadiness and corruption and unfair practices in pretty much every industry. I'm so tired of people acting like sports is exempt. This ain't church...which ironically has had it's share of corruption issues. Sports is entertainment and if people were being honest that is all they care about...being entertained. In order for that entertainment to happen certain, not so pleasant, or not so fair things, take place. People need to take the rose colored "Santa is real" glasses off and accept things for what they are.

Breh I acknowledge that corruption exists but that doesn't mean I have to accept it. :what: I strive for something better and greater. If people are cheating and lying, that doesn't mean I have to do the same. People need to stop that monkey see monkey do shyt and have some standards. I, too, enjoy sports for the entertainment. But I appreciate and respect that entertainment more when I know the people doing the entertaining are doing it off natural ability. In sports, I think some rules and regulations are necessary for an equal playing field to be possible. Otherwise, the shyt's just a science experiment. :mjpls:

And fukk Santa. Santa ain't real. Real is responsibility, real is taking care of your motherfukkin family, real is God, nikka. I'm real, I'm real, I'm really really real. :youngsabo:
 

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bolt is clearly cheating and tiger maybe something like adderall if anything. adderall user you can spot by their mannerisms. i think russell wilson is an adderall user because when you see him in post game interviews his face looks really emotionless but very intent and his eyes have a deadness to them. they also look like theyre locking onto objects that others cant see. he also gives really hard and dry but very emotionless answers to everything

the story of wilson going into the film room immediately after losing to atlanta seemed like something somebody on an adderall high would do.

man i honestly couldnt put my finger on it
but man russell wilson do be actin weird
me and my pops be noticing that durin his presses and interviews
 

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Breh I acknowledge that corruption exists but that doesn't mean I have to accept it. :what: I strive for something better and greater. If people are cheating and lying, that doesn't mean I have to do the same. People need to stop that monkey see monkey do shyt and have some standards. I, too, enjoy sports for the entertainment. But I appreciate and respect that entertainment more when I know the people doing the entertaining are doing it off natural ability. In sports, I think some rules and regulations are necessary for an equal playing field to be possible. Otherwise, the shyt's just a science experiment. :mjpls:

And fukk Santa. Santa ain't real. Real is responsibility, real is taking care of your motherfukkin family, real is God, nikka. I'm real, I'm real, I'm really really real. :youngsabo:

How do you know it's off natural ability? You can never know that for sure. Beyond that what exactly defines "natural ability"? With all of the advancements made in terms of medicince, surgery, and supplements nobody is really doing anything off natural ability.

You can only set standards for yourself you can't set standards for others because they are gonna do what they are gonna do. PEDs are all over the place in sports and arent' going anywhere. At a certain point people are just gonna have to come to grips with that.
 

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Woods got that tiger blood, and Bolt was created by Zeus. :jawalrus:
 

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Forgive me if I don't see what the big deal is. I don't really give a fukk who's "clean" and who's not. It's entertaining and awe-inspiring to watch Bolt toy with Olympic comp. I would not know that cycling exists without Lance Armstrong and I really didn't give that much of a fukk when he was doing his thing. I'm not really sure why Tiger would use any PEDs. But if he did :manny:. What's funny is that the focus is always on the superstars who use. I remember when baseball first starting testing and you had all these random nobody ass nikkas testing positive. Why werent' they breaking records? PEDs can only help so much. If Bolt is juicing, I'm pretty sure he's not alone yet he's the only one dominating. A little logic can go such a long ways.

*Playing Devils Advocate*

"The drugs affect people differently...your bodies reaction to foreign substances shouldn't factor into sports, which are merit based"....:manny:

I can actually see it both ways. On one hand, I like the idea of athletes being "natural" and given no external chemical or hormonal advantages.

On the other hand...I sorta LIKE the idea that sports are on some NFL Blitz, arcade, futuristic sci-fi type shyt. Like, fukk it, let them put a bunch of "Deus Ex" dudes out on the court.

The NFL is likely closer to the latter anyways....:smugfavre: Dudes are clearly juiced out their fukking minds. And it's the GOAT. I'ma be mad if these journalist and shyt start trying to expose football.

Imagine a future where all of this stuff is out in the open and accepted....:troll: Imagine in a future draft, "L'aquarium Wilson has reacted well to hgh and is NFL ready"....:ohhh:
 

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If Bolt or the Jamaicans are on something impossible to get, how come the other countries cant get it? You mean to tell me Jamaica discovered some amazing undetectable drug no one else in the world could get. :comeon:
 

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Lance Armstrong "confession" and the END of the WORLD as * YOU * know it

A -- Public enemies in the death row
Illuminati public enemies waiting in the death row to be executed include two of the greatest sport icons ever and the ultimate icon for free speech:
- Lionel Messi, greatest football player ever (1);
- Usain Bolt, fastest man ever and forever (2);
- Justin Bieber, first global icon in the age of end time computers not created by the illuminati (3);
- angelic Google, the path to the end times Truth, as illuminati about to tie the rope around its neck, after an ultimatum with a January 31th deadline (4).

B -- Most important executions (not only) Jan 7 - Jan 15, 2013
January 7 to 15, the illuminati executed:
- Lance Armstrong, both greatest cyclist ever and End Times Paradox (1a), in a ritually staged TV "confession" of the Guantanamo type, with illuminati icon Oprah Winfrey playing judge (1b);
- Aaron Swarz (2a), icon for the first amendment, murder packaged as suicide. One of the last resisters, together with angelic Google, against one of illuminati's final assaults on the first amendment (SOPA - Stop Online Piracy Act), January 12 (2b);
- Keith Ratliff (3a), icon for the second amendment, murdered also behind closed doors. Manager of FPS RUSSIA, 3rd most popular youtube channel, over 500 million views, one of the last resisters against illuminati's final assaults on the second amendment, January 8 (3b).

The ritual public execution of Lance Armstrong primarily:
- celebrates the last decade of the terror state, established long ago, as it should have been clear for all, the latest after 911;
- is part of the symbology of the fake execution of actor "Obama", who will be accused, stripped and will also falsely "confess".
The non-public ritual murders of Aaron Swarz and Keith Ratliff are primarily [ not only part of but as well ] symbology for the Sandy Hook operation, the ongoing final assault to eliminate the first and second amendments.

C -- Ritual public execution of Lance Armstrong
Execution of Lance Armstrong and Terror State
Greatest cyclist ever, falsely accused, stripped and finally forced to "confess" what he did not do.
Reminder: execution of sports champions aren't only used to propagate the lie "drugs enhance performance of natural sports" and to destroy natural sports.
They also advance the transition to the terror state:
- "confessions" and "delation" under torture;
- have the human cattle accept no right to self-defense to whoever is accused, beginning with false accusations.

The transition to the terror state was completed years ago in the USA / EU, starting with
- constitution violated almost at will, best illustrated 1999 with the military attack to sovereign countries, starting with Serbia;
- media TOTALLY controlled, starting with ANYONE talking politics on TV, which obviously includes any member of "congress / parliament", ALL illuminati members;
- right to self-defense, starting with the right to present their version in the mass media, is denied to illuminati public enemies accused of "crimes";
- almost EVERY individual posing a major threat is executed.
This is why we never saw:
- a debate or even an interview having Lance Armstrong defend himself;
- any journalist defend Lance Armstrong with real arguments. The best straw argument used by the "defense" was: "after all they all doped".

Execution of Lance Armstrong and detonation of fake suicide bomber "Obama"
Script was explained by Last Prophet long before 2009, when its timing was exactly precised.
Last act of Lance Armstrong's execution takes place shortly before the Illuminati actor "Obama" fake detonates, repeating the accused, stripped and executed acts.
Make no mistake: the "confessions" of "Obama" will also start with Oprah Winfrey in the role of judge.
Theater on Execution of "Obama" includes sentenced to "death" and "hanged".

===== BASIC CONCEPTS ====
1. Public executions by the Illuminati
Franz Ferdinand to Justin Bieber: ILLUMINATI End Times: Public executions : TYPOLOGY
Franz Ferdinand to Justin Bieber: ILLUMINATI End Times: Public executions : TYPOLOGY

2. Transition to the Terror State
This process was completed years ago in Illuminatiziland, from the EU to the USA.
Transition from a Formal Democracy to a Legal Terror State, aka Police State, is a process that ran parallel to a second one: the Transition from the National States to the Global Terror State, aka global nazi state, aka One World Government, aka New World Order.
In other words: the ultimate illuminati goal of total enslavement. 2007 words of Last Prophet:
Legalize Terror Agenda: Transition from Formal Democracy to Legal Terror State

3. "Disarm citizens" - FULL SCRIPT
The ultimate illustration for the importance of traitors.
Revealed first by Matt Marriott years ago, it was an End Times Information Process.
Make sure you don't miss a word here and follow each footnote link, if it is not immediately clear to you:
Disarm citizens: ULTIMATE script ILLUSTRATING importance of TRAITORS for illuminati - Christian Forums
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=206822

4. Fake execution of "Obama" and its timing
Another End Times Paradox: the most powerful detonation ever is triggered by a fake suicide bomber.
Make no mistake: the first "confession" of "Obama" will mimic Lance's "confession, actress Oprah Winfrey will again play judge.
As Obama's "confessions" will continue on other stages, "Obama" will be sentenced to "death" and "hanged", during or after the "disarm citizens" operation.
Timing for Obama detonation depends on how successful the disam operation will be.
In other words, if illuminati will have to resort to the original 2007 script and have the "republican impostor" disarming, together with the NRA.
Obama detonation as fake suicide bomber, accused of an endless array of crimes:
- from forging birth certificate and Bin Laden's death to treason in the "Benghazigate";
- from physically attacking and trying to murder the "real 44th president", Hillary Clinton to murdering his "granny" two days before the 2008 "election".
Start with the craziest act:
Craziest ever footage: MAKE NO MISTAKE: released within days: Obama hits Clinton, she

5. Why illuminati must now abolish the first and second amendments
Exactly like Hitler's final military assault in 1939, illuminati's final assault in 2013 goes beyond the terror state: a nazi constitution is also required.
These acts must be executed NOW, as "Obama" detonates:
- LAUNCH supervised ethnic civil war;
- TERMINATE "Collapse of Banks" script with annihilation of savings and pension funds of human cattle;
- FULL OPERATE extermination camps.
If the final assault does not succeed then the last resort before nukes will be the script tested in Syria for the past two years: air force pilots bombing to oblivion the population.
Ethnic civil war script:
Supervised RACE WAR for dummies: just because of 1.birthplace 2.color 3.ethnicity 4.r

6. Sandy Hook is the final act for ... EVERYTHING
To abolish the first and second amendments as well as to upscale selectively feeding the extermination camps.
Sandy Hook is the last act staged to disarm the citizens, to be immediately followed by banning assault weapons, abolishing the second amendment.
As if that was not enough, its goals go beyond that:
- to abolish the first amendment;
- to selectively (during this first stage) feed the extermination camps, exactly like illuminati's Occupy movement.
How to quickly detect who is not a sheep, so they will be eliminated before the mass of sheep?
Answer: Illuminati openly tell to the audience that Sandy Hook was fake and go after whoever reacts.
This is why in the days after the hoax:
- illuminati release evidence where each piece alone immediately proves that actors were used, starting with the footage pf "Emily Parker"'s "father" laughing before acting as "griefing father";
- illuminati mass media, starting with CNN's Anderson, "discusses" the "conspiracy" that actors were used, although the illuminati will not go as far as to include in the "discussion" any of the unquestionable pieces of evidence.


=== Notes ====
[A]. Public enemies in the death row
(1) Lionel Messi, greatest football player ever:
LIONEL MESSI End Times Paradoxes - Why illuminati deeply dislike best football player ever

(2) Usain Bolt, fastest man EVER and FOREVER

(3) Justin Bieber, created by angelic YouTube:
Justin Bieber: public execution or Why the illuminati hate YouTube's most viewed icon

(4) Angelic Google: make no mistake, this is the final assault on the most important defender of the second amendment, the deadline is set.
BBC News - Google given EU anti-trust deadline

. Most important executions (not only) Jan 7 - Jan 15, 2013
(1) Lance Armstrong
(a) THE TRUTH:
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=209175
(b) Illuminati media on the the public execution of Lance Armstrong:
Lance Armstrong confronts doping charges in interview - Yahoo! News

(2) Aaron Swarz
(a) THE TRUTH:
...
(b) Illuminati media on the murder of Aaron Swarz:
'So much love for him on the Internet today, did he know?': Reaction to Aaron Swartz's death - The Globe and Mail
Aaron Swartz Aaron Swartz’s Father: My Son Was ‘Killed by the Government’

(3) Keith Ratliff
(a) THE TRUTH:
...
(b) Illuminati media on the murder of Keith Ratliff:
Weapons Expert Didn't Defend Himself - Yahoo! News
YouTube's Most Popular 'Gun Nut' Found Shot to Death, Surrounded by Guns - Yahoo! News
 

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How do you know it's off natural ability? You can never know that for sure. Beyond that what exactly defines "natural ability"? With all of the advancements made in terms of medicince, surgery, and supplements nobody is really doing anything off natural ability.

You can only set standards for yourself you can't set standards for others because they are gonna do what they are gonna do. PEDs are all over the place in sports and arent' going anywhere. At a certain point people are just gonna have to come to grips with that.

To be honest, you're right, I don't know. :ld:

Nothing shocks me when we find out that yet another superstar athlete has been using PEDs. So if it comes out that Tiger, Usain Bolt, Kobe, LBJ, the entire NFL is on some kind of PEDs, I won't be surprised. I just won't be as impressed with what they've done in the sport. And I will definitely think they are somewhat fraudulent. Perhaps a comparison to singing might be illuminating. There are some singers who can flat out sing their asses off. This is all natural ability. Then there are some who need some...help.
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You seem like a Britney Spears, Jennifer Lopez-ass nikka. :mjpls: I'm more of an Aretha Franklin, Etta James-type of nikka. :shaq: I respect their natural ability. :obama: You get me? :youngsabo:

You definitely raise some valid points about what is actually natural, though. On that point, I'ma have to punt for another day. Each sport, however, has defined what is illegal. It's not just what each individual thinks is legitimate. The sport has set a standard for ALL of the players to follow. It's apart of their agreement to engage in the sport. So when players take substances that they know are banned by their sport, they are in the wrong.

While PEDs are indeed rampant in probably every sport, that doesn't mean each sport should stop taking measures to regulate their usage. After all, there's still some of us that appreciate..."natural ability." :smugbiden: Assuming I can trust what I'm seeing is indeed "natural." :leostare:
 
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