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In China, It’s Already Cheaper to Buy EVs Than Gasoline Cars​

Analysis by David Fickling | Bloomberg
August 8, 2023 at 6:15 p.m. EDT

Price wars can be creative, or destructive.

When comparable airlines battle for market share, the results can be devastating. None are offering a fundamentally cheaper product, so the effect is only to make consumers expect cheaper tickets. When one of the players has a cost advantage, however — as when a budget airline takes on a full-service carrier — the outcome is to switch buyers’ loyalty to the better-value product. Four of the 10 most highly valued carriers in the Bloomberg World Airlines index are discounters.

We’re starting to see that situation play out in the auto industry. Since Tesla Inc. and Mitsubishi Motors Corp. started developing the first mass-market electric cars in the late 2000s, battery vehicles have struggled with a higher cost structure that even subsidies and manufacturer losses haven’t been sufficient to surmount. That’s finally changing — and China is leading the way.

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Seven of the 10 best-selling cars in China in June came with a plug. Tesla’s Model Y crossover SUV has comfortably outsold every competitor since February, while BYD Co.’s Dolphin hatchback has already overtaken established competitors just months after deliveries began.

That’s come on the back of a price war, instigated by Tesla, so savage that the government last month induced automakers to sign a pact pledging to compete fairly and refrain from “abnormal pricing.” (The latter commitment was retracted two days later.)

There’s no question that the fight for market share has been damaging. First-half auto sales in China have still not cleared the 11.8 million level achieved in 2018. An official measure of consumer confidence remains stuck at subdued levels not seen since the 1990s, after plummeting amid the Covid-19 lockdowns last year. Cratering imports in July are a clue to just how dire the state of demand remains across the economy. In their desperation to clear inventories, manufacturers have cut prices to the bone. Some of the steepest discounts have been on gasoline-powered cars.


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As the dust settles, however, the most notable transformation has been a shift in the competitive position of electric vehicles. Tesla’s Model 3, which previously retailed at twice the price of comparable premium mid-sized sedans such as the BMW AG 3 Series, is now the more affordable option. BYD’s Dolphin, likewise, comes in about 5,000 yuan ($693) cheaper than a comparable compact sedan such as Volkswagen AG’s local Jetta variant, the 125,000-yuan Sagitar.

Those numbers, to be sure, benefit from EVs’ exemption from China’s 10% vehicle purchase tax. BloombergNEF estimates that subsidy-free parity won’t come until 2025 for smaller cars in China. Still, to a consumer the sticker price is the sticker price — and the effects in terms of market share been stunning.

Across the market, battery and plug-in hybrid vehicles now account for 37% of sales, far ahead of earlier expectations. Beijing’s official policy, set at the end of 2019, was for 25% of the market to be electrified by 2025. Just three years ago, Deloitte — in a report that was generally extremely bullish about the prospects for EVs — predicted this level wouldn’t be hit until the end of the decade.


It doesn’t look like just a value-destructive flash in the pan. Take a look at battery makers. Electric cars have so far been unable to compete on price because their power pack and drivetrain costs as much as twice the equivalent in an internal-combustion engine vehicle. Closing that gap has depended on falling costs for batteries, a process that’s been delayed as the commodity price inflation of the past few years pushed up expenditure on raw materials.

The latest run of results suggests the squeeze is over. June quarter net income at the world’s biggest cell business, Contemporary Amperex Technology Co., was up 54% from a year earlier, and increased four fold at South Korea’s LG Energy Solution Ltd. Analysts expect the same measure to double at BYD when it reports later this month (the company is one of the biggest battery makers as well as being a car manufacturer). Panasonic’s first-quarter result, helped by a one-time restructuring benefit, was the best of any quarter since the 1990s.

There’s every reason to think those profits are sustainable. Chinese lithium carbonate has halved in price relative to where it was at the start of the year, reducing the cost of cathodes that account for around half of a battery pack’s price. Margins at most major battery makers have also widened compared to previous quarters, giving them breathing space for the next leg of competition.


In most markets, gasoline-powered vehicles still maintain a cost advantage at the dealership, even if they’re increasingly more expensive when all ownership costs are factored in. But China is already passing through the looking-glass — and where it leads, the rest of the world will soon follow. The road to electrified transport has been a bumpy one, but the checkered flag is now in sight.

More From Bloomberg Opinion:

• Tesla and GM Sold More Cars. Only One Made More Money: Liam Denning
• America Is Driving Toward a New Supply Chain Crisis: Tim Culpan
• Your EV Batteries Don’t Have to Go to Landfill: David Fickling

This column does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the editorial board or Bloomberg LP and its owners.
David Fickling is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist covering energy and commodities. Previously, he worked for Bloomberg News, the Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times.
 

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Joe Biden will double, triple and quadruple tariffs on some Chinese goods, with EV duties jumping to 102.5% from 27.5%​

BYJOSH WINGROVE, JENNIFER A. DLOUHY, ERIC MARTIN AND BLOOMBERG
May 12, 2024 at 7:15 PM EDT

Joe Biden speaks at podium

Biden will hike or add tariffs in key sectors after nearly two years of review.
SCOTT OLSON—GETTY IMAGES
President Joe Biden will double, triple and quadruple tariffs on some Chinese goods this week, unveiling the measures at a White House event framed as a defense of American workers, people familiar with the matter say.


Biden will hike or add tariffs in key sectors after nearly two years of review. The total tariff on Chinese electric vehicles will rise to 102.5% from 27.5%, the people said, speaking on condition of anonymity ahead of the announcement. Others will double or triple in targeted industries, though the scope remains unclear.

Biden and his staff spent recent weeks finalizing the measures, including which items to hit and which to avoid because the inputs are needed to fuel American growth, one of the people said. The final decision was a consensus, the person said.

It’s not clear which items were spared but Biden won’t announce tariff rate reductions, two of the people said. The administration has signaled to the US solar industry that it’ll move to exclude some items, including machinery used to make solar panel components. The shift has been sought by some equipment makers who say current levies undermine Biden’s goal of wresting clean-energy supply chains from China.

The 2024 presidential race looms large over the flagship announcement: Biden is trying to crack down on China and differentiate himself from Donald Trump — whose original tariffs Biden is set to largely renew, but who is seeking widespread hikes that the current administration views as going too far.


The Biden administration has been “focused on sectors of longstanding concern,” said Greta Peisch, a partner at law firm Wiley Rein LLP who served until January as the top trade lawyer for the US Trade Representative’s office.

“These are calculated to address particular activities and risks and avoid escalation, to maintain the relationship with China that we have” outside those key goods, she said.


The White House declined to comment on the tariffs. The auto-tariff quadrupling was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.

Biden will target key sectors including electric vehicles, batteries, solar cells, steel and aluminum, people have said. He has previously announced the steel and aluminum tariffs, which will increase to 25% on some products that have a 7.5% rate or no tariffs now. The EV rate aims to protect the US from a potential flood of Chinese autos that could upend the politically sensitive auto sector.

Trump’s 200%​

The announcement is the culmination of a review of tariffs first imposed by Trump, who mocked the announcement during a campaign rally in New Jersey on Saturday.

”He says he’s going to put a 100% tariff on all Chinese electric vehicles. Isn’t that nice?” Trump said. “Biden should have done this four years ago.”

He warned that Chinese companies will try to build cars in Mexico, then avoid tariffs by shipping them to the US under the US-Mexico-Canada Agreement, which Trump agreed to as president. Trump said he’d put a 200% tariff on Chinese-made cars in Mexico.


“I will put a 200% tax on every car that comes in from those plants, and they’re not going to do that,” he said. Trump has also pledged a 60% across-the-board tariff on all Chinese goods — a move Biden is stopping well short of, with allies saying it would fuel inflation.

Biden’s measures are less about crushing segments of the market than heading off an anticipated increase in imports: Chinese steel, aluminum and autos make up tiny fractions of the US supply for now. The administration has warned that China is pushing to corner the market on key sectors and flood the US with subsidized goods, to destabilize its rival and power its own recovery.

Still, the jockeying signals a bipartisan consensus – led by the two presumptive candidates for the presidency – on the threat that Chinese electric vehicles pose to the US.

It didn’t damp enthusiasm for the US debut of Zeekr Intelligent Technology Holding Ltd., the high-end electric car brand under Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., which rose 35% Friday after an expanded initial public offering that’s the biggest US listing by a China-based company since 2021. One of its executives downplayed the planned tariffs.

“We’re not considering short-term headwinds. We think long-term and try to make sure in the long run we make a very, very good business case,” Chief Financial Officer Jing Yuan told Bloomberg Television on Friday. “It’s more about long-term view rather than short-term headwinds.”

The administration’s approach is consistent with its goal to target China while maintaining a relationship, Peisch said.

“It’s about being strategic, not an across-the-board escalation, but what makes sense as a response to China and support for impacted US sectors,” she said.
 

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It’s cheaper in the US as well with manufacturer rebates, state/federal tax incentives/rebates
 

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Joe Biden will double, triple and quadruple tariffs on some Chinese goods, with EV duties jumping to 102.5% from 27.5%​

BYJOSH WINGROVE, JENNIFER A. DLOUHY, ERIC MARTIN AND BLOOMBERG
May 12, 2024 at 7:15 PM EDT

Joe Biden speaks at podium

Biden will hike or add tariffs in key sectors after nearly two years of review.
SCOTT OLSON—GETTY IMAGES
President Joe Biden will double, triple and quadruple tariffs on some Chinese goods this week, unveiling the measures at a White House event framed as a defense of American workers, people familiar with the matter say.


Biden will hike or add tariffs in key sectors after nearly two years of review. The total tariff on Chinese electric vehicles will rise to 102.5% from 27.5%, the people said, speaking on condition of anonymity ahead of the announcement. Others will double or triple in targeted industries, though the scope remains unclear.

Biden and his staff spent recent weeks finalizing the measures, including which items to hit and which to avoid because the inputs are needed to fuel American growth, one of the people said. The final decision was a consensus, the person said.

It’s not clear which items were spared but Biden won’t announce tariff rate reductions, two of the people said. The administration has signaled to the US solar industry that it’ll move to exclude some items, including machinery used to make solar panel components. The shift has been sought by some equipment makers who say current levies undermine Biden’s goal of wresting clean-energy supply chains from China.

The 2024 presidential race looms large over the flagship announcement: Biden is trying to crack down on China and differentiate himself from Donald Trump — whose original tariffs Biden is set to largely renew, but who is seeking widespread hikes that the current administration views as going too far.


The Biden administration has been “focused on sectors of longstanding concern,” said Greta Peisch, a partner at law firm Wiley Rein LLP who served until January as the top trade lawyer for the US Trade Representative’s office.

“These are calculated to address particular activities and risks and avoid escalation, to maintain the relationship with China that we have” outside those key goods, she said.


The White House declined to comment on the tariffs. The auto-tariff quadrupling was first reported by the Wall Street Journal.

Biden will target key sectors including electric vehicles, batteries, solar cells, steel and aluminum, people have said. He has previously announced the steel and aluminum tariffs, which will increase to 25% on some products that have a 7.5% rate or no tariffs now. The EV rate aims to protect the US from a potential flood of Chinese autos that could upend the politically sensitive auto sector.

Trump’s 200%​

The announcement is the culmination of a review of tariffs first imposed by Trump, who mocked the announcement during a campaign rally in New Jersey on Saturday.

”He says he’s going to put a 100% tariff on all Chinese electric vehicles. Isn’t that nice?” Trump said. “Biden should have done this four years ago.”

He warned that Chinese companies will try to build cars in Mexico, then avoid tariffs by shipping them to the US under the US-Mexico-Canada Agreement, which Trump agreed to as president. Trump said he’d put a 200% tariff on Chinese-made cars in Mexico.


“I will put a 200% tax on every car that comes in from those plants, and they’re not going to do that,” he said. Trump has also pledged a 60% across-the-board tariff on all Chinese goods — a move Biden is stopping well short of, with allies saying it would fuel inflation.

Biden’s measures are less about crushing segments of the market than heading off an anticipated increase in imports: Chinese steel, aluminum and autos make up tiny fractions of the US supply for now. The administration has warned that China is pushing to corner the market on key sectors and flood the US with subsidized goods, to destabilize its rival and power its own recovery.

Still, the jockeying signals a bipartisan consensus – led by the two presumptive candidates for the presidency – on the threat that Chinese electric vehicles pose to the US.

It didn’t damp enthusiasm for the US debut of Zeekr Intelligent Technology Holding Ltd., the high-end electric car brand under Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co., which rose 35% Friday after an expanded initial public offering that’s the biggest US listing by a China-based company since 2021. One of its executives downplayed the planned tariffs.

“We’re not considering short-term headwinds. We think long-term and try to make sure in the long run we make a very, very good business case,” Chief Financial Officer Jing Yuan told Bloomberg Television on Friday. “It’s more about long-term view rather than short-term headwinds.”

The administration’s approach is consistent with its goal to target China while maintaining a relationship, Peisch said.

“It’s about being strategic, not an across-the-board escalation, but what makes sense as a response to China and support for impacted US sectors,” she said.
Capitalism, y'all
 

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Corporate CEOs greed strikes again. Now they about to get washed by the Chinese. I guess outsourcing both jobs and technology overseas does have downsides.
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Small, well-built Chinese EV called the Seagull poses a big threat to the US auto industry​


“The Western markets did not democratize EVs. They gentrified EVs,” said Bill Russo, the founder of the Automobility Ltd. consultancy in Shanghai. “And when you gentrify, you limit the size of the market. China is all about democratizing EVs, and that’s what will ultimately lead Chinese companies to be successful as they go global.”

The Alliance for American Manufacturing says in a paper that government subsidized Chinese EVs “could end up being an extinction-level event for the U.S. auto sector.”
 

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Crazy how much money some people have saved over this last year buying CHEAP electric vehicles.

Then they'll save more next year.
Then the next.
Then the next.
etc.

Meanwhile we out here being ok scraping by buying expensive shyt with expensive gas.

One of these groups will have a lot of money saved up.
 
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