In case you ever needed a quick image to sum up what is wrong with the US

[theworldismine13]

Dan carlin has a podcast in which he goes into the bombing of German and Japanese cities, conventional bombing that is, he basically says the conventional bombing was just as bad as the atomic bomb and that once the united states had made the moral decision to bomb German and Japanese civilians with regular bombs, dropping the atomic bomb wasnt that big of a moral leap

I'm not cosigning just an FYI on what the gawd thinks

I haven't listend to the eastern front podcast tho

 

[Marvel]

Are you out of your mind? It was being built for use in Germany. The war ended there before it was completed.




This is how I essentially view these issues. To me a lot of it falls upon class issues (not entirely, but mostly IMO). Yes, that includes a matter of racial brainwashing or giving someone the illusion of racial superiority. It has proven to work time and time again. Race makes classism easier because you can attach observational differences to members of a certain class, even if the statistics are warped or twisted . Welfare is a prime example of this.

Good post...but the creation of the race concept was to create a poor class. The racial construct was built on a hierarchy system with whites at the top and blacks at the bottom, everybody else in between. Look at the US, look around the world, who is the poorest? From the US to Australia, South Africa, Latin America....who is at the bottom?

You had attitudes, policies and laws created to keep a group in perpetual poverty which means that they group will by and large be lower and in many classes an underclass.

The race concept is a class concept. They are interchangeable in most societies. It is no different from a caste system.

 

[Broke Wave]

Son. Do you know how many secrets were leaked to the Russians up to the 1980s?

Hell, the FBI caught TEN spies in 2010 living as sleeper agents. basically the same as the backstory of "The Americans" on FX. : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegals_Program

Don't get it twisted. I'm not out here saying you need to be scared and what not, but to act like there aren't geopolitical leverages at stake or that countries aren't out here trying to subvert one another is to be completely naive.

Yes. The russians wen't broke trying to keep up with us. And? They still got that drive to push the limits again.

They supply most of the non-american contracts with weapons and infrastructure. They have a massively successful international news network. They also are the only vehicle we have to get into space right now.

Think about it. This whole Russia/USA thing isn't over yet.

First the Muslims now the Russians? The Russian's didn't go broke trying to keep up with America's military that is a stereotype. It's funny for a guy who hates faith so much, you take so much stuff on faith

Do some research then we can have an educated discussion... talking about 10 spies anecdotes and stuff like that is a very colloquial way of discussing things .

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

First the Muslims now the Russians? The Russian's didn't go broke trying to keep up with America's military that is a stereotype. It's funny for a guy who hates faith so much, you take so much stuff on faith

Do some research then we can have an educated discussion... talking about 10 spies anecdotes and stuff like that is a very colloquial way of discussing things .

The hell are you talking about?

I'm not worried about russians...per se...but to act like they're not trying to subvert the US's hold on things currently is a flat out lie.

And yeah, Russia went broke...unless you want to remind us what Perestroika did...

 

[Broke Wave]

The hell are you talking about?

I'm not worried about russians...per se...but to act like they're not trying to subvert the US's hold on things currently is a flat out lie.

And yeah, Russia went broke...unless you want to remind us what Perestroika did...

Are you interesting in knowing the answer to your inquiry or are you just bringing up Perestroika in order to insinuate that I don't know what that is?

What are our major points of contention, outline them and then we can have a discussion. My positions are :

1. Russia's threat to the U.S. and NATO overall were exaggerated and overstated, even though those two words are almost synonymous.

2. Russia did not go broke as a result of trying to "keep up with the U.S.", that is a right-wing lie that fans of President Reagan try and push, the facts are that the stagnation under Brezhnev was the catalyst for the economic demise. Russia was in better economic condition in 1989 than Spain or Greece are now.

 

[Type Username Here]

Good post...but the creation of the race concept was to create a poor class. The racial construct was built on a hierarchy system with whites at the top and blacks at the bottom, everybody else in between. Look at the US, look around the world, who is the poorest? From the US to Australia, South Africa, Latin America....who is at the bottom.

You had attitudes, policies and laws created to keep a group in perpetual poverty which means that they group will by and large be lower and in many classes an underclass.

The race concept is a class concept. They are interchangeable in most societies. It is no different from a caste system.

For sure, but it goes even beyond that.

Think about England in the Middle Ages for example, before they became an Empire and established colonies. William the Conqueror came in and the Normans (Vikings) took control of the land. They came in and essentially flipped the entire culture around (replacing formal language, courts, landowners, etc). The bottom folks still stayed poor though. The serfs didn't change. To be somebody in that system you had to have the right "bloodline". That was the caste system. "High Born" and the rest. Mind you, these are all white people who probably look very similar to one another, besides their clothes and the way they speak.

My point? Human beings will always find away to make separations of class. Even making up arbitrary concepts like "noble" or "royal" blood. A difference of skin color only makes it easier. You feel me? There are many examples of this. Even the Mexica and Incas had a form of "Pyramid" scheme, certain people at the top, and servs/slaves at the bottom (usually captured from smaller tribes).

 

[Tikal]

1. 10%...Thats it? The US is the most diverse nation of its size...AND land mass. Think about that.

2. Homogeneity makes it easier to be altrustic to your fellow citizens since you don't have barriers of ideology or appearance amongst you. Theres just less general animosity or if there are problems, the walls aren't as high. You all are mostly on the same page with the big issues.

3. Your population is small. Moving on.

4. I'm glad you majored in something useful. But your taxes are high as hell. Thats the price you pay but whats your point? That money has to come from somewhere.

2. Well, that could be another answer as why the people of USA won't a government which implements similar ideology as the Scandinavian countries, but I still think it has to do more with a lack of understanding of socialism.

4. With a well educated population a nation is more well prepared for changes in the working market. Taxes are high, yes but the people get a lot from it, free school and health care (up to a certain age and then subsidized).

 

[Tikal]

Don't believe the hype. You'll DEFINITELY be a minority and face some ignorance. Especially when they're looking at all those immigrants with the face hoping they don't get overrun with outsiders.

Of course he will be a minority. As far as ignorance goes it all depends on the kind of people you meet there are good people and bad people, just like everywhere else

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Of course he will be a minority. As far as ignorance goes it all depends on the kind of people you meet there are good people and bad people, just like everywhere else

I should be more explicit...its pretty racist.

I've never been to a scandinavian country, but I have close friends who have. They said even in a short period of time they got some pretty fukked up "welcomings"

They could be wrong though. I know France and Germany aren't that "forward" thinking.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

2. Well, that could be another answer as why the people of USA won't a government which implements similar ideology as the Scandinavian countries, but I still think it has to do more with a lack of understanding of socialism.

1. Socialism isn't that complicated. More taxes. More government. Americans are pretty averse to the topic of more government. We're FOUNDED on being "different"...hell, the dude I quoted from Sweden won't acknowledge they still have KINGS and QUEENS there.

4. With a well educated population a nation is more well prepared for changes in the working market. Taxes are high, yes but the people get a lot from it, free school and health care (up to a certain age and then subsidized).

2. Agreed. But...you know things are different when you deal with different populations.

 

[Tikal]

1. Socialism isn't that complicated. More taxes. More government. Americans are pretty averse to the topic of more government. We're FOUNDED on being "different"...hell, the dude I quoted from Sweden won't acknowledge they still have KINGS and QUEENS there.

That might be me

I am aware that (north) americans are not very fond of more governing but I see it as choice of having a more strict governing with a more equalized socio-economic society or less governing and more wide spread economic difference. With that said, of course it won't be easy for USA to drastically change overnight and if the citizens are well informed on the benefits and how the scandinavian model works and still don't want it then

Yes, kings and queens (only by title no real power) still exist in Sweden and other parts of Europe. And yes, it because of tradition, although not everybody wants have them but that's another issue. Not sure what kind of point you are trying to make cause I don't see the correlation with "monarchies" and socialism.