In 90's Hip Hop, ALLAH was the dominating top "God"

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How is what I said disrespect when she made the statement about keeping the lessons laminated in a 1997 Source interview speaking on how she came into Black consiousness in her early years ?

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Since when is repeating something someone said disrespect??

Cause u using her as a platform to lend credence to the rest of ur post when she clearly don't believe in what you do if you watch the video

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Cause u using her as a platform to lend credence to the rest of ur post when she clearly don't believe in what you do if you watch the video

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Nothing u said makes sense...You're not even qualified to be in this conversation.....for one, I never called her a muslim or 5%...Plus, I dont subscribe to the 5% ideology, so u are WRONG twice!. Second...U said "Let her speak for herself".....In The 1997 Source article Afeni Shakur brought up the lessons and how they are to be passed to those who had knowledge of self...Not me. You make no sense being that those were her words not mine.


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Either fall back or stand corrected.....Again..I ask you to point out the disrespect if I'm repeating what the lady said out of her own mouth???
 

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Being Muslim was seen as being conscious and therefor uncool for most of the 90's, "oh you a muslim now? :pachaha:" , then 9/11 happened

I don't know wtf you clowns talkin about in here trying to shoe horn in the NGE, it's NGE not NAE for a reason b
 

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There are some similarities and there's no doubt that the Jesus of Islam is the SAME HISTORICAL figure as the one in Christianity, but they are given different roles in the context of their religions. Islam's Jesus was never crucified, was certainly not the son of God, merely another messenger of God etc., whereas in Christianity we all know what the deal is.

But in terms of Allah and God, it's the same monotheistic God. It's just the Arabic word for God happens to be Allah. There's no confusion there and there never should be.

And this is why Christian rappers made better music:sas1:

"Merely a messenger" "was never crucified".....:mjlol:?


Meanwhile Jesus from the bible had disciples,had villages sitting around indian style hangin on every word,not to mention he stayed talkin that shyt:banderas:

Seems like Christian Jesus had enough credentials to be respected in hiphop,but Muslim Jesus:patrice:?
 

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There are some similarities and there's no doubt that the Jesus of Islam is the SAME HISTORICAL figure as the one in Christianity, but they are given different roles in the context of their religions. Islam's Jesus was never crucified, was certainly not the son of God, merely another messenger of God etc., whereas in Christianity we all know what the deal is.

But in terms of Allah and God, it's the same monotheistic God. It's just the Arabic word for God happens to be Allah. There's no confusion there and there never should be.

And this is why Christian rappers made better music:sas1:

"Merely a messenger" "was never crucified".....:mjlol:?


Meanwhile Jesus from the bible had disciples,had villages sitting around indian style hangin on every word,not to mention he stayed talkin that shyt:banderas:

Seems like Christian Jesus had enough credentials to be respected in hiphop,but Muslim Jesus:patrice:?
 

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Also Allah was mostly local,so to say he was dominating is pushing it:whoa:....dont tell me even the east coast version of god will be overated now in an attempt to rewrite history:mjlol:
 

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dudes just wanted to worship something that didnt relate to a white jesus or white god

but little did they know mohammed had black slaves when islam was created


Funny thing is that if Jesus really did existed, he was neither black nor white (more close to black), due to obvious geographical reasons...
 

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See, here's ultimately the flaw in your reasoning, Blackslash. You're asking questions like "what do you consider valid hadiths." You aren't even in tune with the system designed to filter hadiths by their accuracy and legitimacy, yet think you're in a position to have a debate over them. Religious scholars spend their entire lives studying hadiths and trying to trace them back to the Prophet, and if they can't, they're deemed inauthentic.

As for your arguments themselves, the Prophet was asked about his marriage to Aisha and why he chose her at such a young age. His response was very clear: she would be best able at that age to absorb his teachings and lifestyle and record it in a way that could be preached to humanity after his death. The prophet's first wife, Khadijah, was well into her forties when he married her; she would not have been able to witness his growth as a person and be able to relay his teachings after he was gone. The prophet did not engage in sexual relations with Aisha when she was at that young age either, this is something you can look up for yourself if you wish. Moreover, the words of Aisha are highly published. You can do some research and look into the type of man she stated the Prophet was and the nature of their relationship, instead of so casually and dismissively saying things like, "he wifed up a kid." Statements like that discredit you because they indicate you clearly don't understand the social and cultural structures in place in that region at the time.

Moving aside from that, your statements about Pagans and Jews are also extremely erroneous. It's well documented that after the Hijra to Medina and the subsequent return to Mecca, people of all faiths were allowed to live peacefully among Muslims. Islam has never, ever, propagated the persecution of non-Muslim or even non-religious people. I point you to this verse:

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong.
Surat Al-Baqarah, Verse 256
This is one example out of possibly hundreds between the Qur'an and hadith that condemn religious persecution.

Do Muslims today have fundamental social and societal problems? Absolutely. But please have the understanding to differentiate that from the actual faith itself.
O I don't know u quoted me
I'll respond to this in a bit
 

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dudes just wanted to worship something that didnt relate to a white jesus or white god

but little did they know mohammed had black slaves when islam was created
Bilal ibn Rabah, was one of the most trusted and loyal Sahabah (companions) of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. He was born in Mecca and is considered as the first muezzin, chosen by Muhammad himself. Born as a slave, Bilal was among the emancipated slaves freed by Abu Bakr due to the Islamic teachings of slavery
Bilal Ibn Rabah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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See, here's ultimately the flaw in your reasoning, Blackslash. You're asking questions like "what do you consider valid hadiths." You aren't even in tune with the system designed to filter hadiths by their accuracy and legitimacy, yet think you're in a position to have a debate over them. Religious scholars spend their entire lives studying hadiths and trying to trace them back to the Prophet, and if they can't, they're deemed inauthentic.

As for your arguments themselves, the Prophet was asked about his marriage to Aisha and why he chose her at such a young age. His response was very clear: she would be best able at that age to absorb his teachings and lifestyle and record it in a way that could be preached to humanity after his death. The prophet's first wife, Khadijah, was well into her forties when he married her; she would not have been able to witness his growth as a person and be able to relay his teachings after he was gone. The prophet did not engage in sexual relations with Aisha when she was at that young age either, this is something you can look up for yourself if you wish. Moreover, the words of Aisha are highly published. You can do some research and look into the type of man she stated the Prophet was and the nature of their relationship, instead of so casually and dismissively saying things like, "he wifed up a kid." Statements like that discredit you because they indicate you clearly don't understand the social and cultural structures in place in that region at the time.

Moving aside from that, your statements about Pagans and Jews are also extremely erroneous. It's well documented that after the Hijra to Medina and the subsequent return to Mecca, people of all faiths were allowed to live peacefully among Muslims. Islam has never, ever, propagated the persecution of non-Muslim or even non-religious people. I point you to this verse:

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong.
Surat Al-Baqarah, Verse 256
This is one example out of possibly hundreds between the Qur'an and hadith that condemn religious persecution.

Do Muslims today have fundamental social and societal problems? Absolutely. But please have the understanding to differentiate that from the actual faith itself.
Alright so you say its all in the followers misconstruing the Quran's commands but I say nay its in fact the Quran(the source) that embodies this evil spirit

Lets look at
Surat Al-Imran Ayat 32
"Obey Allah and the apostle, but if they turn back, surely Allah does not love the unbeliever"

We'll start with this to show that the Quran tells of Allah's hatred of the unbeliever and those who dont obey Muhammed

Now Lets look at
Surat Al-Fath Ayat 29
"Muhammed is the messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are SEVERE with unbelievers, and merciful among themselves"

Now we're beginning to see the contrast as with Christ who tells us show mercy even to are enemies
Muhammed tells us "be severe" towards those who dont believe and only show acts of mercy withing the circle(believers)

Now lets look at
Surat An-Nisa Ayat 24
"Also(forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves), whom your right hand possess"
Now it may seem as if Im sidetracking but I bring this verse up for a reason
But when the muslims were worried about whether it be okay to sleep with already married women who the captured in battle Muhammed presented this revelation to say "yea its okay to sleep with married women if they are slaves or captives"
:wow:

Now lets look at
Surat Al-Ma'dah ayat 33
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this,
that they should be murdered, or crucified or their hands cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grevious chastisement"
So here we say the very violent command Muhammed reveals from Allah which shows acts of severeness to those that cause "mischief" in muslim land...:ld:

Now lets look at
Surat At-Tawbah ayat 5
"When the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each, ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving and Merciful"
So what we have here is your basic "Convert or die" verse. Where we find that Muhammed reveals that his followers should search out and kill all those who are not believers, or take them captive. Aint that what Isis do...."capture unbelievers ask them to deny their faiths and if they do their spared but if they dont they are beheaded? :ohhh:

Welp lets now look at the same Surat
Surat At-Tawbah ayat 29
"Fight those who believe not in Allah, nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, from among the People of the Book( Jews and Christians) until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued".

Another verse in the same surat outlining the severeness followers of Allah must have towards unbelievers. This time its in reference to Christians and Jews and how they get special treatment.
Instead of being outright slaughtered for not converting they have a third option that the "idolaters" dont have which is to pay Jizyat(tribute money) to muslims, acknowledging their inferiority
So much for no compulsion:francis:

Now another verse I will talk about...which will give you an understanding as to why Isis also attacks other muslims too
Surat At-Tawbah ayat 79
"O Prophet, strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them and their abode is hell and evil is the destination"
Its important to note the arabic word used for the words "strive hard" here is another form of the word "Jihad"
So muslims are not only commanded to wage Jihad on idolaters, christians and muslims, but also hypocrites, muslims who dont live by the commands of Allah.
:sadcam:


Surat At-Tawbah ayat 111
"Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden, they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain"
So in this verse we see that Allah defines believers as those who slay and are slain
They keep killing until they are killed
Doesnt sound too much like the peaceful muslims, but it sounds a whole lot like Isis :ohhh:

Surat Muhammed ayat 35
"Be not weary and fainthearted, crying for peace when you should be uppermost: For Allah is with you, and will never put you in loss for your (good) deeds"
So what we see here is, Allah telling muslims that once they are strong enough to slay the idolaters, and the hyocrites and the People of the Book, peace is not an option. If you seek peace when you should be uppermost then according to Allah you are indeed a hypocrite
Islam so peaceful :wow:

Surah Al-Baqarah ayat 106
"Whetever communications we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know Allah has power over all things"
Just like u did, people here in America have been trying to condemn Isis by quoting "peaceful" verses in the Quran
but those peaceful verses were revealed before Allah commanded his followers to slay unbelievers
This verse if important to note when it comes to the doctrine of abrogation in islam which means earlier verses get cancelled out by later verses and if that the case the verse you quoted about no compulsion is obsolete.

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I don't know wtf you clowns talkin about in here trying to shoe horn in the NGE, it's NGE not NAE for a reason b

But NGE acknowledge Musa. Where else are you going to learn about Musa if not by reading The Quran?





And this is why Christian rappers made better music?


BUT Rakim and Nas are considered the greatest to ever do it.


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