I'm Sorry But Fat Joe is not a Culture Vulture, AT ALL!

[IllmaticDelta]

It's odd the west coast Uncle Jamm's army was started in 1978 but no one says the west coast started hip hop.

What would become Hiphop later, started around 1971 in NYC

 

[⠀X ⠀]

No, but he needs to know his place.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Feminine or not. Does it matter?

With the MANY examples of non-AA and non-Black people partaking and exploiting Black American art forms I can't believe yall doing this. LOL.

Let me ask you this? Is Jlo "Black" to you? Is she allowed to say the N-word cause she was around Black people growing up? Is she apart of Black culture? or Hip-Hop?

I'm not from the deeply troubled internet-era generations that use the n-word as a ticket to enforcing Black racial exclusive privilege. I was raised better than that, so I cannot answer using your yardstick.

Then let me ask you, was Mr. Magic a "culture vulture"?

 

[MikelArteta]

fat joe is a fat ass latino hurling the n word at blacks and disparaging black women

but its all good on the coli cuz he was tagging in the 80s

 

[Dontay Flaco]

idk about him being a vulture, but I don't really rock with him tho.

 

[Hey_zeus]

In the culture or not he's a white Hispanic and should be treated as such. Passes and cookout shyt dead

 

[xoxodede]

I'm not from the deeply troubled internet-era generations that use the n-word as a ticket to enforcing Black racial exclusive privilege. I was raised better than that, so I cannot answer using your yardstick.

Then let me ask you, was Mr. Magic a "culture vulture"?

Well, that's good for you Sir.

My parents taught me better than that. And I'm not cool or OK with allowing non-Blacks say the N-word - just cause they live around Black folks. I understand the death, blood and pain attached to it.

Black racial privilege? That's new. Tell me the perks.






And...let me ask you a question? Do you understand Race, Ethnicity and Nationality?

Cause, Mr. Mike is Black. Fat Joe is NOT. Your other example IS NOT. And I like the Fat Boys - but he was a Guest and if that Guest shows himself time and time again as Anti-Black. I would THINK people would have enough sense to get it.

 

[Will Ross]

Feminine or not. Does it matter?

With the MANY examples of non-AA and non-Black people partaking and exploiting Black American art forms I can't believe yall doing this. LOL.

Let me ask you this? Is Jlo "Black" to you? Is she allowed to say the N-word cause she was around Black people growing up? Is she apart of Black culture? or Hip-Hop?

If j.lo never got mainstream acceptance I think people would see her as part of the culture.
The reality is Hispanics in new york use the word and seem to have always used the word.

 

[havoc]

I realize most people have never encountered ny ricans. Before....maybe 10 years ago...if you told a NY Rican they're not black and can't say "nikka" you better be ready to move around.

Yall going tell Thirstin Howl he not a nikka...

Them Ricans are the same way in south Florida. Them Muthafukkas are straight hood and very loud.

 

[xoxodede]

If j.lo never got mainstream acceptance I think people would see her as part of the culture.
The reality is Hispanics in new york use the word and seem to have always used the word.

Which is sad. NY (and Cali) seems to be on some other shyt.

The same people who have rampant anti-Blackness are allowed and encouraged by many to use a word they shouldn't be saying.

Ending with the "a" or "er" -- but call them an ethnic slur -- they will use that very word (and some others they use BEHIND your back) against you and your fam.

 

[xoxodede]

Them Ricans are the same way in south Florida. Them Muthafukkas are straight hood and very loud.

Don't tell me you co-sign this mess.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

By who? That is a White man. No where is he called the N-word. Where is his Black Phenotype? Also, what Black blood? If any, it's less than 15 percent - understand that.

I am just trying to understand why so many of yall are OK with a White man saying the N-word - and being anti-Black. Cause, yall grew up around them? And it's people who live in NY (tri-state) who are OK with this mess.

I'm going to let you know - that shyt don't fly in many places outside of NYC -- and THAT should tell you something.

Hell, I grew up in a predominately Black neighborhood but we had two Arab families on my street, but, guess what - as close as we thought we were at one time. Let me come out they mouth saying the N-word with the "a" or "er" - we fighting.

Fat Joe is clearly non "white" but the dynamic between "blacks" and "puerto ricans" is based on:

amount of time they've been around each other (since the 1910s in NYC)

blacks knowing that puerto ricans are of african descent : (this interview below, a black new yorker of the 1950s is talking about an incident between a rican and a italian he states that we (blacks) considered puerto ricans as brothers which is why they were allowed in an all black gang)

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a black person outside of the North East isn't gonna "understand" the dynamic for obvious reasons; but as I already pointed out, the dynamic shifts based on era, age, subculture etc...


as far as hiphop goes, listen to what the OG pioneers feel about it


Charlie Chase and Disco Wiz both attested to this.

Disco Wiz interview

What was it like growing up in the Bronx and seeing the birth of a new genre?

It was a one-of-a-kind experience when hip-hop got started. Between the ages of eleven and fifteen, the streets of the Bronx raised me. I was running in packs and putting in work—robberies, stickups, the whole nine. That’s who I was before I got into the music. But once I met Caz, we instantly connected. And not too long after that, hip-hop started exploding all around us. Kool Herc’s name was ringing bells. Bambaataa and Flash were doing their thing on the other side of town. No one was really making noise on our side, so it was just a natural progression that we became students of the culture. We had already been dressing the aesthetic, we were both graffiti writers, and so becoming a part of the music was just the next natural step for us.

What were the biggest hardships of the ’70s?

Back then, New York was fukking bankrupt. There were no programs, no resources. After my father died, we became a family on welfare. My mother was working two jobs at that point just to support us. I went to school, but I think I got a better education in the streets. We were definitely aware of our social environment at a young age. When my brother and I started going to Catholic school, we were less than a handful of the Latinos there. Even before my mother went on welfare, they were already calling us welfare recipients. It was a tough time for a lot of folks. Gangs were running rampant in the Bronx, and I soon became a part of that. We were all in the same boat—broken homes and a lack of anything else to be a part of.

What kind of impact did the music have on you?

Once I got involved in hip-hop, I spent less time in the street, and I started to gravitate away from those friends. But my mind-set was still pretty much the same. I still had a really quick temper. I wasn’t that overly talkative dude you’d want to kick it with, but the music taught me a lot about being a pioneer. I was the first Latino DJ, the first Hispanic dude behind the turntables, so there were a lot of biases about that from the Latino community. Hip-hop was perceived as a Black movement when it first got started, so I was perceived as a Spanish guy trying to be Black, trying to be non-Spanish.


Disco Wiz with the Coldcrush Brothers, 1982. Photo courtesy of Disco Wiz and powerHouse Books.



What were most Latinos listening to then?

They were listening to disco, salsa, and Top 40. Whatever was available on WABC, the one station we had in New York. But we weren’t accepted at fukking disco joints. It’s not like I could have rolled up to Studio 54. So it was tough at first. But once hip-hop became more popular, and my crew started to do community events, hip-hop became distinctively ours. From there, we just gravitated to it even more and began to create our own mark, our own niche. I was still a very aggressive dude, so I started to channel that aggression out through the music. Caz used to get mad at me, ’cause I would break the knobs on the mixer. Sometimes, I’d even slam shyt and break a needle. I was known for that. I got behind the turntables like I wanted to beat a motherfukker up. That’s why I got heavy into breakbeats.

Latino hip-hop pioneer DJ Disco Wiz spins a hard-knock yarn

Dj Charlie Chase

DJ Charlie Chase, born Carlos Mandes, was the first Latino DJ who played a key role in establishing Latinos as a contributing force in the Bronx, New York hip-hop culture. Hitting the Hip-Hop scene in 1975. Charlie Chase was a founding member of the Cold Crush Brothers along with Dj Tony Tone. The groups other members are Grandmaster Caz, JDL, EZ AD and Almighty Kay Gee. Charlie Chase and Tony were also responsible in forming the first ever MC convention in Hip Hop history in 1980.

Chase was born in Manhattan on Jan, 16 in 1959 to Puerto Rican-born parents. Chase's family moved often and lived in many different New York City neighbourhoods which were primarily Puerto Rican or Black. Chase began playing music as a bassist in bands at the age of 14 representing a variety of musical styles. Chase produced his first album at the age of 16. In the 1970s, Chase DJ'd for WBLS alongside the legendary Funkmaster Flex. Chase received criticism from both Blacks and Hispanics for playing hip-hop music because at the time it was believed to be a genre reserved for Blacks. However, Charlie Chase's talent outweighed racial differences.

talking about criticism from both the latinos and blacks

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@ 2:54, starts talking about how hard it was being accepted as a "latino" DJ in a "black" music/djiing world



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tony tone (black) had to save charlie from other black people giving him the beats because they felt his kind (latinos) didn't belong

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charlie chase became down because Tony Tone invited him into what became Cold Crush





tony tone on charlie chase

So this is it, you woke up one day and said you are going to call your group the Cold Crush? Was Chase there yet?



Yeah. I told him we are going to call our selves the Cold Crush Crew! Than after awhile we said lets call our selves the Cold Crush Brothers,

because we are always going to treat our selves like brothers. So we changed it to that.



Cold Crush Brothers, Yeah I love it. I ain’t going to front kid, y’all was my favorite group. From day one. Aright, how did you come to the conclusion that Charlie Chase would always be the lead D.J. of the shows? Being as you were older, experienced and around before him, as well as being a very good d.j. yourself?



There was NO Hispanic hip hop D.J. representing at the time. So I said I am going to fall back and let him be the lead d.j.. Like I told Caz the other day, I could have went to him, because I knew him well back than, before he was down with us. I could have said Caz lets do this. I could have went to any other d.j. and said lets do this. But it wasn’t any Puerto Rican d.j.s representing on that level, back then.

Caz had Whiz, and d.j. S.w.a.t., he had a couple of Puerto Rican dudes down with him. They was alright but they didn’t take it serious like Chase did at that time. I told Chase this is it, you the man, because the Puerto Rican’s were in the party, and they had no real representative. So I said if we do it like this, we might corner the Puerto Rican’s and Blacks. I figured we would fill our parties. So I said that’s not a bad price to pay, to sit back, and really let him be show cased, to the point where Puerto Rican’s can say yeah we got somebody up in there, lets go represent for him.

StartLogic

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[ISO]

Fat Joe grew up in the rubble in the South Bronx that hip hop was birth from literally a first gen hip hop baby.

 

[xoxodede]

Fat Joe is clearly non "white" but the dynamic between "blacks" and "puerto ricans" is based on:

amount of time they've been around each other (since the 1910s in NYC)

blacks knowing that puerto ricans are of african descent : (this interview below, a black new yorker of the 1950s is talking about an incident between a rican and a italian he states that we (blacks) considered puerto ricans as brothers which is why they were allowed in an all black gang)

Spoiler

.
.

a black person outside of the North East isn't gonna "understand" the dynamic for obvious reasons; but as I already pointed out, the dynamic shifts based on era, age, subculture etc...


as far as hiphop goes, listen to what the OG pioneers feel about it


Charlie Chase and Disco Wiz both attested to this.

Disco Wiz interview



Latino hip-hop pioneer DJ Disco Wiz spins a hard-knock yarn

Dj Charlie Chase





talking about criticism from both the latinos and blacks

@ 3:00 mins



@ 2:54, starts talking about how hard it was being accepted as a "latino" DJ in a "black" music/djiing world



and

tony tone (black) had to save charlie from other black people giving him the beats because they felt his kind (latinos) didn't belong

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.
charlie chase became down because Tony Tone invited him into what became Cold Crush





tony tone on charlie chase



StartLogic

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Fat Joe is WHITE (race). I'm sorry - he is. Reading the rest of this post now...

 

[Mike Ock]

Nah. Not at all.