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Disgust at roided closet homosexual Wade being your favorite player :hhh:

No matter what Lebron was and is not topping MJ.

MJ impact is on the level of Michael Jackson it will never be duplicated or top
 

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Disgust at roided closet homosexual Wade being your favorite player :hhh:

No matter what Lebron was and is not topping MJ.

MJ impact is on the level of Michael Jackson it will never be duplicated or top
I haven't heard anything about Wade since he dropped that triple double in his last NBA game
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The discussion that I intended to start is way more relevant than anything in that thread

Because the Lebron MJ threads that take over half the Coliseum's front page is toxic. It stinks up the whole subforum

Yall will probably prove this reality to be true the more the posts get posted in here

Because this debate is one of the only sports thread subjects that go platinum in here
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Imagine if MJ could handpick his situation and build superteams…


Imagine if MJ wasted the first 7 years of his career with a WOAT organization that did nothing, and then watched his co-stars get hurt for half the seasons in his prime.

One of the craziest stats is that the top 8 players (by minutes) on the Bulls only missed a total of like 4 playoff games combined in his 6 Finals runs.
 

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I imagined it and Jordan still wins all the rings he has now.

Y'all don't understand how the alpha a$$hole is driven to win.

Jordan is the all sports GOAT.

Revisionist thinking. No one can just will their way to win. MJ was upset early in all 4 tournaments as the #1 option in college, only won one playoff game in his first three seasons in the league, and was nearly 30 before he finally won a title.

Imagine Pippen gets a career-ending injury early in the 1991 playoffs. Then what? Why would MJ automatically win a title when he already had failed to win titles over and over in the previous years?

I don't see MJ winning any titles with Zydrunas Iglauskas or Mo Williams as his #2. What evidence is there that the Cavs were ever going to build a better team than that?
 
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Bron is the BOAT.

Jordan is the GOAT.

Same thing with Brady and Mahomes :yeshrug:
I wish yall would stop this narrative about Lebron bein an all around better player than Jordan. it's not true.

Mahomes is visibly more talented than Brady. Lebron is not visibly more talented than Jordan.
 

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Here’s the thing for me. I still think Michael Jordan is the greatest player ever, better than LeBron. But I think LeBron‘s play is more of an asset for team wins because his game is more tied to setting up teammates. And even though he is the all-time leading scorer, he’s still not a better scorer than MJ. :heh:

There’s so much weird shyt with this. :russ:
 

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Here's the problem, the same mentality would've plagued both players but ESPECIALLY Bron.

Why?

Well, after he would've lost for the 3rd time in a row to the Pistons, he would've skipped town because his teammates wouldn't be good enough yet.

Yet he stayed with Cleveland, the worst organization in the NBA, for seven years. Pistons were washed and the Bulls roster was stacked by MJ's 7th year, so why would Bron have left earlier than he did in Cleveland from what was clearly a better situation?

And MJ's rookie contract was 8 years, so not sure how Bron would have left earlier than that.




Jordan may only win 1-2 rings in Cleveland but he still would've won on the original team that drafted him.

Bron would not.

Bron did win with the original team that drafted him.

And what roster do you imagine MJ winning with? Cavs drafted like shyt until they got #1 picks, and free agents didn't go there. So why does he ever get a championship roster in that scenario?
 

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Here's the problem, the same mentality would've plagued both players but ESPECIALLY Bron.

Why?

Well, after he would've lost for the 3rd time in a row to the Pistons, he would've skipped town because his teammates wouldn't be good enough yet.

Jordan may only win 1-2 rings in Cleveland but he still would've won on the original team that drafted him.

Bron would not.

Hell, the bulls WERE the CAVS of the 80s before jordan got there. At least Bron didn't have Coke Junkies on his team his rookie year.
Bro, God on 2k in Pro difficulty wasn't winning with that squad.
 

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To honor OP's scenario for a moment, I'm just imagining how wild it would be if the parallel universes could see each other.


Imagine that MJ goes to the Cavs, really is "loyal" and never leaves. They're just as bad at building around him, but late in his career they manage to form a semblance of a championship roster by sheer luck, and he wins 1-2 titles. He ends up getting regarded like Hakeem, as an incredible talent and legendary two-way player who is talked about in revered tones, but ranked outside the top-5 by most and outside the top-10 by some.

Those people then get to see our universe and see that MJ is treated like an unassailable basketball god....cause he was on better teams. They might even think, "Man, that 2015 title we saw him win against those young Warriors with a raw Jimmy Butler as his #2 option was way more impressive than those Chicago rings!"


Meanwhile, Chicago Bron wins 6-8 titles (not from being better than MJ, just from not retiring either time and having somewhat more longevity). Is generally a non-controversial player who most people regard as the GOAT. Then the alternative universe sees the Cleveland Bron and thinks, "Um, some of those titles this version of Bron won were actually harder than any of the ones our version won. Y'all are weird to be hating like this."


I'm saying this assuming that Bron and Jordan are roughly equal players in reality. But just changing the circumstances would wildly impact how they were ranked in history. It's how the human mind works.
 

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MJ comes out in the 00s and he's used more as a PG since the premise of a SG being the focal point of a successful offense was never set(by him)

Bron comes out in the early 80s and he gets pigeonholed into being more of a forward and less of a PG since players that big were not used as facilitators outside of Magic

They end up 2 different players themselves, regardless of the teams put around them
 
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