I'm Curious, Has Anyone Apologized for saying Umar Johnson Has No Psychology License nor PHD?

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To be clear he doesn't have a licence nor did he ever say he had one. he said he was a certified school therapist/psychologist.



He didn't ask for "money" to open "a school" he asked specifically for $5million to purchase St. Paul's College to open a boarding school.


Thats like me asking for everyone to chip in on a $25 pizza for the group. then yall give me $15 talking about...
  • Were da food at :usure:
  • Did you not here me say pizza and $25? :martin: ...all I got is $15 :stopitslime:
  • ok now I got $20 :ehh: ...but now the damn pizza spot is closed and I gotta find another:francis:
  • Were da food at :usure:
  • Food NO pizza YES :what: $25 needed got $20:what: pizza spot closed now cause yall dikkn round:what:
  • fukk it I'm going to see what kinda pizza I can get for $20 :patrice: ...but I still gotta find a spot thats open:jbhmm:
  • Were da food at :usure: ...he robbing yall of yo money :usure:
  • Are you def :mindblown: ...did you even pitch in any fukk'n cash???:what:
  • No:usure: ...why would I give cash to a Thief :usure:
  • :beli:

The above is how I see this whole thing which is why I stay out of it by and large.



They are simply attempting to use something that is verifiable as a shield to justify and guard what ever political views they have from criticism. Crazy thing is they constantly fail at it just like the "where is the school" trope when he never asked for money to build "a school", just like he never said he had "a licence".

Repped.

Eventhough I'm not a believer in the school, this is still a nice explanation.
 

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Shyte was wild to me that they kept saying this man had no PHD or license and that they had proof. I was dead ass starting to believe it the way all these nikkahs was 100% sure and talking bout it like it was all common knowledge. I don't even follow Umar like that, but that shyte was foul. For like 3+ years they did tat, and not 1 apology:dahell:

Same, at this point I might throw dude cash out of spite for all the fukkery.
This whole thing can be summed up with the tvone interview where people didn't care one way or another about dude but began to sympathize with him because of the ambush.

That's basically me in a nutshell, if noone said anything i'd be like meh.
His haters make folks chose his side out of shear despise of their fukkery.​
 

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Does he have one?
Let's have a come to jesus moment:

Haves:
No, I've defended him having a masters in psychology (his accreditation came up in a kids court case) , idk anything on weather or not he has a doctorates.
He said you can call the universities and verify.
Well I looked into it and he was teaching so I personally accept that he is a psychologist. That was enough for me but Umar still been "building" that school for years now and I haven't heard him break down the Douglass connection though the family has said he wasn't related.
I could careless about degrees when it comes to political or social movements but if you're going try to discredit umar on that angle, discredit MLK as well because his Doctor degree situation also looked funny in the light:mjlol:

These lames :umad:
yes he is.
First off, I don't fukk with Umar like that.

Next:...

So why does he have a PhD dissertation listed there? PCOM is NOT a degree mill, so you have A LOT to explain

Spare me your bullshyt.





I've been over and over this.

Umar has a PhD

He may be a loon, but he has the degree.

:hula:






Have Nots:
Umar graduated from the same school as

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There is no evidence that the "Umar R. Abdullah-Johnson" mentioned in those documents is "Dr." Umar Johnson. To the contrary, Johnson has been calling himself a doctor as far back as 2010.


The evidence you posted is for a PsyD. Not a PhD. Yet Umar claims he has a PhD. In fact just recently Johnson claimed he has a PhD but it needs to be "renewed." What? You either have a PhD or you don't, there is no renewal process. He's lying.

There is NO evidence he even worked in Philly public schools. You can't find his name in the payroll database.
http://www.openpagov.org/k12_payroll.asp

He has shown ZERO accounting for the money he has raised for his school and sounds shady when confronted


Ducktales about paypal


You have elevated a blatant liar who cannot even show you his degree, won't show you where the money he raised is, has NO business plan for his school, etc etc. Yall are being swindled.

Doctor of hoodronomics.
No he isn't.
He said he graduated in 2012

http://digitalcommons.pcom.edu/commencements/83/

No Umar Johnson, no Umar Abdullah Johnson, no Umar Infatunde, no Jermaine Shoemake. If he'd lie about being a doctor, you really think there's gonna be a 2 million dollar school in the middle of bumfukk?
At 01:49:00 Umar Johnson lies about having a PhD. The doctorate that he studied for was a PsyD. not a PhD. When he was on the Rock Newman Sow he was careful to say that his doctorate was approved by the American Psychological Association but he did not specify the type. APA approves PsyD.

Proof he was studying for PsyD.
http://digitalcommons.pcom.edu/psychology_dissertations/233/

01:49:00 Lying about PhD.
 
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To be clear he doesn't have a licence nor did he ever say he had one. he said he was a certified school therapist/psychologist.



He didn't ask for "money" to open "a school" he asked specifically for $5million to purchase St. Paul's College to open a boarding school.


Thats like me asking for everyone to chip in on a $25 pizza for the group. then yall give me $15 talking about...
  • Were da food at :usure:
  • Did you not here me say pizza and $25? :martin: ...all I got is $15 :stopitslime:
  • ok now I got $20 :ehh: ...but now the damn pizza spot is closed and I gotta find another:francis:
  • Were da food at :usure:
  • Food NO pizza YES :what: $25 needed got $20:what: pizza spot closed now cause yall dikkn round:what:
  • fukk it I'm going to see what kinda pizza I can get for $20 :patrice: ...but I still gotta find a spot thats open:jbhmm:
  • Were da food at :usure: ...he robbing yall of yo money :usure:
  • Are you def :mindblown: ...did you even pitch in any fukk'n cash???:what:
  • No:usure: ...why would I give cash to a Thief :usure:
  • :beli:

The above is how I see this whole thing which is why I stay out of it by and large.



They are simply attempting to use something that is verifiable as a shield to justify and guard what ever political views they have from criticism. Crazy thing is they constantly fail at it just like the "where is the school" trope when he never asked for money to build "a school", just like he never said he had "a licence".

If I gave a nikka money for pizza and he didn’t come back for 7 years, id feel like I got took. But I guess you nikkas are different.

Anyone with any sense knew that the St. Paul’s college purchase was never going to happen. It wasn’t possible in the first place.

The college closed in the first place because they couldn’t afford to keep it open. They had hundreds of students paying tens of thousands of dollars in tuition and still couldnt afford to keep it open. How on earth was Umar going to keep it open? This school was for underprivileged black boys right? Surely he wasn’t expecting them to pay thousands in tuition? So how was it gonna stay open, off donations alone? That shyt was never possible.
He might at well been collecting money to build a school on mars.


At best, it was a clearly flawed and ill convinced “plan”.

At worst, it was a scam from the jump.
 

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whether people agree with him or not.

supporter ỏr not.

There has to be something to stop nikkahs from acussing people of some fruedulant shyte like this for such a long as time, and then pretend like nothing happened after confirmation.

I mean nikkahs were NON-stop with how 100% sure they were that he didnt graduate, had no PHD, and wasnt licensed.

I have yet to see a single one of thêse nikkahs who were sure for the last 3 ỏr 4 years come out and say "my bad".


Dont understand that.

He’s not in the 2012 graduation brochure, and video of the ceremony was erased from YouTube. I’m not apologizing for shyt. Thanks
 

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To be clear he doesn't have a licence nor did he ever say he had one. he said he was a certified school therapist/psychologist.



He didn't ask for "money" to open "a school" he asked specifically for $5million to purchase St. Paul's College to open a boarding school.


Thats like me asking for everyone to chip in on a $25 pizza for the group. then yall give me $15 talking about...
  • Were da food at :usure:
  • Did you not here me say pizza and $25? :martin: ...all I got is $15 :stopitslime:
  • ok now I got $20 :ehh: ...but now the damn pizza spot is closed and I gotta find another:francis:
  • Were da food at :usure:
  • Food NO pizza YES :what: $25 needed got $20:what: pizza spot closed now cause yall dikkn round:what:
  • fukk it I'm going to see what kinda pizza I can get for $20 :patrice: ...but I still gotta find a spot thats open:jbhmm:
  • Were da food at :usure: ...he robbing yall of yo money :usure:
  • Are you def :mindblown: ...did you even pitch in any fukk'n cash???:what:
  • No:usure: ...why would I give cash to a Thief :usure:
  • :beli:

The above is how I see this whole thing which is why I stay out of it by and large.



They are simply attempting to use something that is verifiable as a shield to justify and guard what ever political views they have from criticism. Crazy thing is they constantly fail at it just like the "where is the school" trope when he never asked for money to build "a school", just like he never said he had "a licence".


In the PayPal & Gofundme, he asked for money to build a school. Period end stop. His original goal was $2 million in which he made progress towards, then he came with the idea of purchasing the college in VA and doubled the goal to $4 million. Umar easily had down payment money and the opportunity to finance a purchase. Umar instead lied and said the school was sold. If what you said was true, the fundraising would have ceased at that point. Fundraising also would have ceased when the conscious stripper episode occurred and donations slowed to a standstill. Instead he’s implied he’d build the school from sea to shining sea. I believe, in his New Year’s Day speech, he stated that he will again build a day school and not a boarding school.
 

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If I gave a nikka money for pizza and he didn’t come back for 7 years, id feel like I got took. But I guess you nikkas are different.

Anyone with any sense knew that the St. Paul’s college purchase was never going to happen. It wasn’t possible in the first place.

The college closed in the first place because they couldn’t afford to keep it open. They had hundreds of students paying tens of thousands of dollars in tuition and still couldnt afford to keep it open. How on earth was Umar going to keep it open? This school was for underprivileged black boys right? Surely he wasn’t expecting them to pay thousands in tuition? So how was it gonna stay open, off donations alone? That shyt was never possible.
He might at well been collecting money to build a school on mars.


At best, it was a clearly flawed and ill convinced “plan”.

At worst, it was a scam from the jump.

1. A $25 pizza might take 7 hours a $5 million school might take 7(3-4) years.(...It hasn't even been 7 years)
2. Did you even chip in any money for the pizza?(Yes I've been at 2-3day events with food runners, and shyt can close down to where you have to wait until it opens again)
3. The feasibility of the purchase is on those people who gave money to be convinced of.(I wouldn't buy a time share but I'm not shytting on anyone who does or sales them)
4. Did you even chip in any money for the school?(Matter a fact where are all these complaining people who gave money that can't get it back when they asked. Tho it was a donation so...)
5. Without the financial/enrollment data of the last say ...5 years of St. Paul’s operations everything else you said is essentially empty assertions.(you have little to base your comparisons on)

Assertion
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1. a positive statement or declaration, often without support or reason:
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In the PayPal & Gofundme, he asked for money to build a school. Period end stop. His original goal was $2 million in which he made progress towards, then he came with the idea of purchasing the college in VA and doubled the goal to $4 million. Umar easily had down payment money and the opportunity to finance a purchase. Umar instead lied and said the school was sold. If what you said was true, the fundraising would have ceased at that point. Fundraising also would have ceased when the conscious stripper episode occurred and donations slowed to a standstill. Instead he’s implied he’d build the school from sea to shining sea. I believe, in his New Year’s Day speech, he stated that he will again build a day school and not a boarding school.

:jbhmm:

  • Food NO pizza YES :what: $25 needed got $20:what: pizza spot closed now cause yall dikkn round:what:
  • fukk it I'm going to see what kinda pizza I can get for $20 :patrice: ...but I still gotta find a spot thats open:jbhmm:
  • Were da food at :usure: ...he robbing yall of yo money :usure:
  • Are you def :mindblown: ...did you even pitch in any fukk'n cash???:what:


@dh86 Did you even give him any money for the school your complaining about? :beli:
 

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Breh it was a whole gang of black folks. I heard Umar was a fake PHD so much that I was almost starting to believe it the way these nikkahs were so sủre and kept saying they had evidence from his school and all this other bullshyte.

I mean, there has to be 1 dude somewhere who had legit said, "my bad, I might hate Umar, but I was mad wrong about what i said about his credentials all this time. I lied on him"

Anyone more abitious than me can easily do a coli forum search with the words "Umar" and "has no phd" to find his detractors here.
yea it was shea butter twitter black inter-sectional feminists, and black homosexuals.
 

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Fact based analysis in threads already made is not a complaint. Umar stated on January 1, 2018 that he has $700k and is ready to make a school purchase imminently. Let’s see if it happens!

The "fact" is simply the attribute the complaint is in reference to. You can't hide the "nature" of the statement behind it's empirics...

“Like a system of politics, science has sought foremost its own preservation,”

"Theory does not advance ideas (as the positivists asserted in the early part of this
century), theory justifies ideas. Empirical methodology is not a tool of revelation and
verification, but rather a tool of refutation and a shield of obstruction behind which the

ideas a theory justifies are operationalized as programs immune to self-interested
criticism. Therefore, the most crucial considerations in the development of theory are (1)
the ideological programs that theory is capable of justifying;
and (2) the methodological
framework its protection and preservation demand."

The Theoretical and Methodological Crisis of the Africentric Conception
W. Curtis Banks
The Journal of Negro Education
Vol. 61, No. 3, Africentrism and Multiculturalism: Conflict or Consonance (Summer, 1992), pp. 262-272

That said, I agree with the last part and is all I'm really saying in terms of my politics around the subject.
  • He said he has the $700k and is looking for a seller. Hopefully someone will sell a decent property.
  • If not, oh well keep looking for a seller.
  • If people ask for their money back ...give them their money back.
  • Till then ...keep looking for a seller.
  • If there is an issue with his politics ...fine, have that discussion but don't hide those politics behind a volley of assertions(then expect folks to be blind to it)
To go back to my previous analogy I only look sideways when...
  • The guy says no pizza spots are open to buy from.
  • Folks who never even gave him pizza money still bugging him about a pizza he can't buy yet.
shyt just makes me go :mindblown:
 
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