I'm all in on China in Africa

[GodsPerspective]

Look at china as a captain save a hoe brehs

This is what people have done through all of time.

Do you know where Korea and Japan would be if the US didn’t GIVE them manufacturing and provide resources to build their countries? Check out what their gdp’s were before they were modernized


And yes they had to suffer because they sold their soul to the devil, but so has everyone since the beginning of time! A group that has more comes and modernizes the group that has less while also reaping the future benefits of the that group with less.

 

[Premeditated]

i'm not indian you feckless c00n. DOn't you EVER speak to me again in this manner.

my bro whose family is from south india is darker than that....

 

[EndDomination]

America also has Chinese debt why aren't you saying they will own everything in America and have high ranking government posts.

You are retarded boi stop.

Fear mongering and spreading misery is your only purpose here and you have admitted you aren't Black.

who says they can't afford to pay back?

why was nobody saying this when they were drowning in IMF loans and being forced into bad deals for "aid" by the west?

this is fear mongering... meanwhile Africa's relationship with China has already been more fruitful in a decade and moreso than all the time wasted dealing with the west.

I can't rock with these bleak outlooks and pessimism about the continent. Most of y'all are predicting failure and loss of sovereignty yet it is Europe and America who are repeatedly doing the things you accuse China of. America is still trying to expand it's Army bases and presence and Europe is still actively influencing and controlling government bodies through espionage or economy.

But china brehs is the one we should fear

Western propaganda at it's finest

Dambisa Moyo can shed some light on this.
The US is also the enemy here. But this is a thread about China, not the US.

shyt, it's already working for places like Senegal. Their manufacturing output has grown double digit since last year.

obviously the Chinese are in this mainly for their own interest, but so what? Take what you need from them too.
I think in the future we will being seeing more regional blocks and federation(East African Federation) once things starting going at a high speed.

Senegal is definitely making progress w/ their Chinese-led development. The issue is: there are still massive leakages, both in capital-flight, and in broken productivity.
Most African states aren't going to use their Chinese-made infrastructure as needed (these are broad strokes, mind you), and its not an African thing, look at the US, Brazil and even China: they're airballing in the same way, with far more stability.

what's you solution on how Africa than reach industrialization then? you nonblack male

you sure do a whole lot of fear mongering but never seen you post solutions

Each African state can industrialize internally, if their central government can roll out a program.
The fact that Nigeria doesn't already have a green industrialization going on is a testament to its inherent instability, same for the DRC, Ghana, Rwanda, Algeria, Tunisia, and South Africa.
They have a skilled workforce, and the technology at their disposal.
Corrupt governments and an inherently corrupt system led them to fumble their loan amounts, especially w/ resource issues.

 

[ultraflexed]

Africa is going to have over 2b people by 2050....

How any of thos are "african" by blood. South Africa and north Africa is filled with non Africans

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Dambisa Moyo can shed some light on this.
The US is also the enemy here. But this is a thread about China, not the US.

Senegal is definitely making progress w/ their Chinese-led development. The issue is: there are still massive leakages, both in capital-flight, and in broken productivity.
Most African states aren't going to use their Chinese-made infrastructure as needed (these are broad strokes, mind you), and its not an African thing, look at the US, Brazil and even China: they're airballing in the same way, with far more stability.


Each African state can industrialize internally, if their central government can roll out a program.
The fact that Nigeria doesn't already have a green industrialization going on is a testament to its inherent instability, same for the DRC, Ghana, Rwanda, Algeria, Tunisia, and South Africa.
They have a skilled workforce, and the technology at their disposal.
Corrupt governments and an inherently corrupt system led them to fumble their loan amounts, especially w/ resource issues.

i've seen first hand shoddy work in jamaica and the rest of the carribbean

china is doing bare bones quality out here.

 

[EndDomination]

This is what people have done through all of time.

Do you know where Korea and Japan would be if the US didn’t GIVE them manufacturing and provide resources to build their countries? Check out what their gdp’s were before they were modernized


And yes they had to suffer because they sold their soul to the devil, but so has everyone since the beginning of time! A group that has more comes and modernizes the group that has less while also reaping the future benefits of the that group with less.

The thing w/ Japan and Korea is, the US defanged them, and they both already had stable, centralised societies.
That's the reason why Germany was able to prosper after the Marshall Plan, it doesn't work the same when there is a needed political structure, along with a social and economic structure.

 

[EndDomination]

i've seen first hand shoddy work in jamaica and the rest of the carribbean

china is doing bare bones quality out here.

I've seen it too.
And unless the nation-state has the capital and the skilled manpower to upgrade the infrastructure, they're trapped w/ shoddy work that is slowly deteriorating.

 

[reasonable_doubter]

How any of thos are "african" by blood. South Africa and north Africa is filled with non Africans

black africans are the only group that is growing... north africa is stagnating... and the south africans are on the decline......... majority of the planet will be black by the end of this century..... the reason why they arent over 2b now is because of infant mortality/bad infrastructure....

 

[loyola llothta]

@chineebai

 

[desjardins]

Seems wild optimistic.
Judging by China's past attempts at foreign development in their own region and the fact they already destroying land in places like Ghana with their disregard for the environment while mining....seems like a reach
African countries going take a L leasing ports and mines to China. They win all of their deals! That's why so many Asian countries hate their ass, they finesse everyone

Google China debt trap.
African countries already owe over $100 billion to China
Wiki has some of the specific projects

 

[Deus]

Had to one star this. Never trust anyone from the CCP. If the development was coming from Taiwan this would be different but the CCP can't be trusted. Anyone parroting the CCP is a plant. Africa has the resources and they can fairly trade for the development assistance but China is harvesting the continent.

 

[GodsPerspective]

The thing w/ Japan and Korea is, the US defanged them, and they both already had stable, centralised societies.
That's the reason why Germany was able to prosper after the Marshall Plan, it doesn't work the same when there is a needed political structure, along with a social and economic structure.

That is not entirely true as Japan and Korea were in a state of war just before the US came and stabilized them. In addition many African countries have social and economic structure currently do they not?

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Seems wild optimistic.
Judging by China's past attempts at foreign development in their own region and the fact they already destroying land in places like Ghana with their disregard for the environment while mining....seems like a reach
African countries going take a L leasing ports and mines to China. They win all of their deals! That's why so many Asian countries hate their ass, they finesse everyone

the west did this for decades untapped. it's not logical to say let's not talk about the west this is a china thread then keep pretending these are new problems that have come with the relationship with China. Dumping on garbage, toxic waste, oil spills, mining waste etc these issues long predate Chinas involvement in Africa.

African nation are not stupid and it's insulting to keep forecasting their demise like they are helpless. The terms of these loans are under scrutiny as we speak the people are aware what is at stake. The governments are under pressure to not agree to such unfavourable terms.

 

[desjardins]

the west did this for decades untapped. it's not logical to say let's not talk about the west this is a china thread then keep pretending these are new problems that have come with the relationship with China. Dumping on garbage, toxic waste, oil spills, mining waste etc these issues long predate Chinas involvement in Africa.

African nation are not stupid and it's insulting to keep forecasting their demise like they are helpless. The terms of these loans are under scrutiny as we speak the people are aware what is at stake. The governments are under pressure to not agree to such unfavourable terms.

Breh African countries have already agreed to hundreds of billions in LOANS which will be paid to Chinese companies employing Chinese to extract resources to send back to .....China
But hey they get roads and bridges out of it, amirite
And that's not even including all the ILLEGAL mining and stealing China is doing there.
Far as Europeans destroying the land in the past....I'm not sure what kinda rebuttal that is to be honest. So we supposed to let China do the same thing in 2019!?

 

[EndDomination]

That is not entirely true as Japan and Korea were in a state of war just before the US came and stabilized them. In addition many African countries have social and economic structure currently do they not?

The US didn't stabilize Japan, they destabilized it.
Same thing for Korea, we backed its destruction and splitting. It had a central structure that was in-tact for millenia, only fragmented by Japan's invasion and holding.

And I"m not saying they don't have a social or economic structure, I'm saying a solid, or centralised one. South Africa's is still damn near colonial, and Nigeria only has central control over a few of its States, it couldn't control Borno State or Yobe State if it tried. Right now Rwanda is probably near the top when it comes to central social and economic control, Eritrea and Ethiopia too.

I'm trying to make broad strokes to answer the question, we're comparing two or three distinct countries to 55 states.