Illegals and muslims can't be central to the Democrats anymore. Voters are just stupid. Admit it.

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Like I said it's not islam. But white supremacy is what you are trying to support. But you seem too hatefilled to see it.

You're a muslim, so you probably wouldn't understand.

...with you believing in winged horses and all :jordanlmao:

I'm speaking to people who already know better than to keep letting y'all steal TV time.

Y'all are welcome in the Dems, but thats about it. Islam itself has some serious problems ideologically and beyond that y'all are on thin ice if y'all don't integrate more successfully.

And don't mention white supremacy. I didn't mention an ethnicity or nationality.

Islam is not a race.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@50CentStan How arrogant do you have to be to expect black people to defend all muslims like we owe y'all something?

Bruh, on a sheer humanity tip. Fine.

But y'all bugging otherwise.

 

[50CentStan]

You're a muslim, so you probably wouldn't understand.

I'm speaking to people who already know better than to keep letting y'all steal TV time.

Y'all are welcome in the Dems, but thats about it. Islam itself has some serious problems ideologically and beyond that y'all are on thin ice if y'all don't integrate more successfully.

And don't mention white supremacy. I didn't mention an ethnicity or nationality.

Islam is not a race.

Your views on islam are your opinions. That's good and all. But if you are as you claim a black male then you would know white supremacy is a far bigger threat to you than your idea of Islam.

 

[50CentStan]

@50CentStan How arrogant do you have to be to expect black people to defend all muslims like we owe y'all something?

Bruh, on a sheer humanity tip. Fine.

But y'all bugging otherwise.

Who said black people should defend muslims? But you think black people should defend gays Stop it napoleon. You're reaching hard now.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Don't play the "affect more" game.

Black voters will never support the racist GOP. At any cost.

The way you are sounding, you will be on that "yes they're racist, but we need to think economically" bullshyt by the end of the year.

I agree that the Dems' strategy on immigration is utter , but just because xenophobia is a core issue for YOU, doesn't mean it's a core issue for EVERYBODY

As you demonstrate every time you post, what the Dems need to work on isn't really policy, because everything they come up with is dreamt up in a vacuum free from the confines of constituents' concerns and reality at large. Dems need humble themselves and stop shouting down and WaPo/NYT/Atlantic linking everyone who dares to disagree with or challenging them. Nobody likes a sanctimonious know it all, especially when said know it all doesn't know what they're talking about....but that's exactly what the Democrats have become. As I said, you demonstrate this every time you post.... you don't come here to dialogue, you come here to shout down and indoctrinate, and then have the nerve to wonder why nobody wants to hear what you have to say

You called everyone who didn't vote for Hillary stupid for fukks sake Is that how you think you can win those people over?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Your views on islam are your opinions. That's good and all. But if you are as you claim a black male then you would know white supremacy is a far bigger threat to you than your idea of Islam.

I'm talking about democrats winning voters.

Everything else is you scoring cheap points on a black man who is already aware of your attempts to skew the dialogue.

 

[Pressure]

So now we're gas lighting whole swathes of black workers?

What type of shyt is that?

Bruh, these are people LITERALLY facing discrimination in jobs and you're talking about "this isn't a big deal?"

The issue is RACISM. You can't legislate racism out of existence.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The way you are sounding, you will be on that "yes they're racist, but we need to think economically" bullshyt by the end of the year.

I agree that the Dems' strategy on immigration is utter , but just because xenophobia is a core issue for YOU, doesn't mean it's a core issue for EVERYBODY

As you demonstrate every time you post, what the Dems need to work on isn't really policy, because everything they come up with is dreamt up in a vacuum free from the confines of constituents' concerns and reality at large. Dems need humble themselves and stop shouting down and WaPo/NYT/Atlantic linking everyone who dares to disagree with or challenging them. Nobody likes a sanctimonious know it all, especially when said know it all doesn't know what they're talking about....but that's exactly what the Democrats have become. As I said, you demonstrate this every time you post.... you don't come here to dialogue, you come here to shout down and indoctrinate, and then have the nerve to wonder why nobody wants to hear what you have to say

You called everyone who didn't vote for Hillary stupid for fukks sake Is that how you think you can win those people over?

But thats just that, isn't it?

Lack of policy people want.

You want more voters? You gotta sacrifice.

ONE issue is immigration.

Fine, you don't want Trump's stance on retrenchment from the world or building a wall.

But you DO need people who are in that camp. You just do.

And this has nothing to do with race.

Immigration is a huge issue that overlaps with enough voters to keep them voting for democrats but to value people who feel they're being overlooked.

All you're saying is that the Dems should focus on people who already support Dems.

Well those people aren't voting enough

At that point, you gotta reach out.

I showed the data. Theres not enough voter upside to supporting illegals the way democrats have:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-atlantic-how-the-democrats-lost-their-way-on-immigration.548665/

They lose more votes than they gain

 

[50CentStan]

I'm talking about democrats winning voters.

Everything else is you scoring cheap points on a black man who is already aware of your attempts to skew the dialogue.

Look man ima explain it one last time before I jet. I said in my original post you claiming dems losing voters because they're being "pro Muslim " is not true. Dems lost voters because Donald Trump was a clear white supremacist candidate. The alt right which is every day becoming more main stream right is a white supremecy movement. And whites want to retain white supremecy plain and simple. That's why "tolerant " whites even moved right. Those are the voters dems lost. Deep down they have white supremacy views. Simple. Bye .

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The issue is RACISM. You can't legislate racism out of existence.

Not sure what that has to do with people residing as illegals taking jobs from people who feel democrats have foregone.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Look man ima explain it one last time before I jet. I said in my original post you claiming dems losing voters because they're being "pro Muslim " is not true. Dems lost voters because Donald Trump was a clear white supremacist candidate. The alt right which is every day becoming more main stream right is a white supremecy movement. And whites want to retain white supremecy plain and simple. That's why "tolerant " whites even moved right. Those are the voters dems lost. Deep down they have white supremacy views. Simple. Bye .

I'm talking about fighting for voters on the fence.

Fact is, democratic messaging has reached out too much to muslims.

If you don't want to agree, fine.

I've adjusted for white supremacy already.

 

[Pressure]

Not sure what that has to do with people residing as illegals taking jobs from people who feel democrats have foregone.

The key word here is TAKING.

They aren't TAKING anything. Businesses are GIVING them these jobs. But for some reason you view the problem as the worker and not the person hiring.

There's a labor issue that's very real. There's a worker's protection issue that is very real. Addressing this issue solves your immigration issue and also will help out the black workers/workers affected by the hiring of illegal immigrants.

Because even if you deport some, more will still come and will still take jobs. You're advocating fixing your fruit fly issue by merely killing the fruit fly and not addressing the fruit.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The key word here is TAKING.

They aren't TAKING anything. Businesses are GIVING them these jobs. But for some reason you view the problem as the worker and not the person hiring.

They're taxing school boards, infrastructure, and a litany of other public resources.

And I already stated my opinion on employers...jail time.

On top of that, theres too many of them in the first place.

The supply shouldn't exist. Admit it.

There's a labor issue that's very real.

There's a worker's protection issue that is very real.

Addressing this issue solves your immigration issue and also will help out the black workers/workers affected by the hiring of illegal immigrants.

and we can do that by keeping illegals out.

No supply

No demand

Because even if you deport some, more will still come and will still take jobs. You're advocating fixing your fruit fly issue by merely killing the fruit fly and not addressing the fruit.

We can deport a lot more and stop being emotional about it.

 

[Pressure]

They're taxing school boards, infrastructure, and a litany of other public resources.

And I already stated my opinion on employers...jail time.

On top of that, theres too many of them in the first place.

The supply shouldn't exist. Admit it.




and we can do that by keeping illegals out.

No supply

No demand


We can deport a lot more and stop being emotional about it.

How do you suppose we "keep them out?"

I think you're not quite clear on how most of them "Get in"

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

How do you suppose we "keep them out?"

I think you're not quite clear on how most of them "Get in"

I got something for you. This man is a Chicano.

This advocates precisely what I said.

Going after Trump isn't enough. Democrats MUST adopt an anti-illegal immigrant stance.

And that includes MY PLAN of going after employers as well:

California and Colorado want to thwart Trump on immigration. Bad idea.



Read ALL of this:


California and Colorado want to thwart Trump on immigration. Bad idea.


Customized do-it-yourself local immigration policy sets a dangerous precedent.


SAN DIEGO — California schemin.’

What else do we call it when the Democratic lawmakers who control the Golden State, due in large part to a boneheaded decision by Republicans in the 1990s to alienate Latinos with poorly-conceived attempts to restrict illegal immigration, make it their mission to thwart the Trump administration’s efforts at immigration enforcement?

That is what’s happening, and for three reasons: Politics, posturing and penance.

Politics: In a state where Hillary Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump, Democrats have little to lose by challenging the president on many issues, including trade and climate change. But given that California is 40% Latino, it’s especially tempting to attack Trump on immigration.

Posturing: The president has proven to be a wonderful foil for ambitious Democrats eager to climb the ranks of California politics. For those who might one day like to run for governor or U.S. Senate, there seems to be a contest for who can be the biggest thorn in Trump’s side.

Penance: Democrats could be atoning for past sins. When the Obama administrationdeported more than 3 million people, divided hundreds of thousands of families, dumped thousands of U.S.-born children into foster care, and then blamed it all on Republicans, California Democrats didn’t make a peep.

There’s no shortage of hypocrisy on the left coast. Neither party has covered itself in glory when dealing with the immigration issue. Still, the important thing is where we go from here. Will Democratic efforts to combat Trump’s misguided immigration enforcement policy be effective or counter-productive?

When I learned that California Democrats were targeting the employers of illegal immigrants, I got interested — and excited. Over the quarter century that I’ve written about the immigration debate, I’ve consistently argued that the only way to curb illegal immigration is to do the one thing that politicians in both parties won’t do. And that is, pick on someone who actually has the power and resources to fight back.

Until Americans start punishing those who employ illegal immigrants with fines, asset forfeiture and jail time — and removing the loophole in the existing law that requires employers to have committed the infraction “knowingly” — we’ll never secure our borders or regain control of immigration.

Politicians refuse to accept this truth because it just so happens that many employers are also campaign contributors. And for elected officials, the six most terrifying words in the English language are: “I’m stopping payment on the check!”

Besides, one of the largest employers of illegal immigrants is the American household where overworked parents are in constant need of housekeepers, gardeners, nannies and senior care providers. You’ll never hear a politician call for putting soccer moms and stay-at-home dads into a police lineup.

Going after those who employ illegal immigrants takes courage, common sense and a desire to stop illegal immigration. California Democrats possess none of the above. All they want to do is interfere with Trump’s planned deportations of illegal immigrants. To that end, legislators have proposed a series of bills barring landlords from disclosing tenants' immigration status to police or prohibiting employers from letting immigration agents come onto work sites or view employee files.

Californians aren’t the only ones trying to gum up the works and cause trouble for this administration. Coloradans are also engaging in similar mischief. In Denver, local officials recently passed an ordinance intended to protect legal immigrants from being deported for committing low-level misdemeanors. Currently, Immigration and Customs Enforcement only bothers to remove those who break laws that carry maximum sentences of 365 days. So city officials took an assortment of petty offenses and reduced the maximum sentences to under 365 days. The hope is that this will keep offenders off the radar of immigration officials.

POLICING THE USA: A look at race, justice, media

This trend toward customized do-it-yourself local immigration policy is bad news, and it sets a dangerous precedent. At its core, it’s about cities and states trying — under the direction of Democrats — to muscle their way into the immigration enforcement business, which is solely within the purview of the federal government.

Localized immigration enforcement is something that was opposed by progressives seven years ago when Arizona passed a law that encouraged local and state police to practice ethnic profiling and round up illegal immigrants. Democrats thought the Arizona law was dreadful. But what they’re doing now is OK? Where’s the consistency?

I’m all for the anti-Trump resistance. More power to them. But this version is fraught with peril and creates more problems than it solves.

Ruben Navarrette Jr., a member of the USA Today Board of Contributors, is a columnist with the Washington Post Writers Group and the host of the podcast, Navarrette Nation. Follow him on Twitter @RubenNavarrette.

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