If you a dude and talk about weave & hair styles more than a woman....your probably a virgin B

[Greenstrings]

what?

I've got no problem with women doing women shyt.

I get it. Beautify and all that. Do what you feel you gotta do.
BUT YOUR HAIR?

Thats something thats DEMONSTRABLY NOT YOURS. You can fake all that other shyt. Nails. Eyelashes. Even lip-fullness...but HAIR?

Where does ANY black woman think she's going with that thin ass, waist-level shyt?

If that's the case then this sounds personal, eye of the beholder and all that. Everything you're saying here stems from the fact that you personally can't reconcile hair the way you do the other stuff because from where I'm standing its all subject to the same socio-cultural forces and therefore equally defensible and/or worthy of critique. Putting in your two cents is fine as long as you acknowledge that it is just that and your own prejudice has no bearing on how other people conceive their race.

Outside of weave, I think black beauty stores are needed.

for example, you know black hair makes less oil than caucasian/asian hair? This leads to the issue where blacks buy products made for hair that isn't their own and dries out their scalp.

These problems could be avoided if blacks invested more in products that addressed their natural hair chemistry and physiological conditions. Granted, hair is dead cells, there is a lot to be taken into account when you talk about hair care.

There are plenty of black beauty stores, the real problem is that not enough rigorous research has gone into making products that optimally cater to black hair, at least when compared comparatively with white hair care products. We're finally getting along the right lines here

This sounds like an excuse.

Oh? well allow me to clarify. It 's not. It is in fact exactly what you are saying.

What?

Since when does hair need protection?

thats what i don't understand.

Wear a hat then.

Or a helmet.

Unless WWIII broke out, i don't understand this "protection" argument.

Its sheer BS and a talking point only reiterated by those who just parrot shyt.

If i'm growing my beard out, do I "protect" that too?
Nope. I try...but none of their arguments hold up to me.
Did you EVER think that someone could have ALL the info and still reject a claim?

If I can't understand something on the terms that someone presents it to me, I usually go off and research it myself to see what I come up with. Even if you do so and still find that you disagree at least then you'll understand where people are coming from and you wouldn't be asking these questions if you had all the info but I'll try to break it down how I understand it.

A girl can't just wake up in the morning and walk out the door without making her hair look sensible
Black hair is tough and prone to tangling and breakage
Constantly brushing, combing and manipulating it is bad for it.
When you wear a weave your own hair and scalp underneath is left untouched
That way your hair underneath is allowed to breathe and grow (if treated right) while the weave bears the brunt of daily wear and tear.

This isn't about "logic" per se. Its about subjectivity. I will admit that.

...but at the end of the day, if someone can get you to REJECT the affinity you have for the hair ON YOUR HEAD, then I'd say you've let them reach into the depth of your psyche and change everything that you believe about yourself.

Again this sounds like a hangup that's very specific to you. You seem to believe that a hairstyle is an equivocal representation of the depths of somebodies psyche and everything that they believe about themselves. Others might see making such an equivocation as melodramatic and ignorant.

But for what it's worth, the fundamental thing you're misunderstanding is that you don't have to hate what you have in order to want something else.

I NEVER advocated for this.

When you suggested that Asians and whites not wearing afro styles is relevant you did.

You're a horrible apologist. All you're doing is explaining what i've already said.

Most dudes just don't want to argue over it so they just let it slide. Whether they sleep on the couch that night or lose their chick over it isn't worth it so they ignore it.

the fact remains that MOST DUDES ain't really feeling it like that.

Do you not see how foolish it is to call me an apologist for saying the exact same thing as you minus an assertion that you can't possibly support?

Which is why chemicals are part 2 of this discussion....
You're trying to subvert this discussion to prop your own argument when you should learn to address both at one time. We can't do one without the other.

No, if we really cared about this shyt that would be part of the beginning of this discussion, I don't need to subvert this discussion, it happily subverts itself. I'll take a page out of your book to show you what I'm getting at....

HEALTHY

Everything should start from here. This should be the foundation upon which we discuss hair. Natural is far too specious a term and there is no real way of drawing a line in the sand that everybody will agree on. I don't see how anybody can put any kind of chemical mass produced in a factory in their hair on a daily basis and then call it natural. Others might draw the line elsewhere. The whole natural hair debate is being conducted on shifting sands which is why there's never any headway. You can't even begin to talk about getting rid of weave when what's underneath isn't right.

 

[PartyHeart]

what if none of these methods work? whats next?

It would work.

 

[marcuz]

It would work.

so you mean to tell me all these black men have been doing it wrong all along, all we have to do is 'not berate' black women while bringing up the issue, and they'll leave the hair hats alone? i feel like i've tried this in my personal life before.

 

[Sierra Mist]

don't you idiots ever have anything else to talk about

 

[Busted_Toes]

Black feminists stay making up these mythical attacks black men do on black women. Queens are uplifted and celebrated and ratchets are thrown in the bushes. Don't trust these devils, let them in your house, they'll be asking why your eating the big piece of chicken, fukk up the whole family dynamic and talk about Ashanti tribe, while ignoring all the other tribes of our Ancestors. These devils can't stop and won't stop.

 

[Ain't That Something]

I spoke to a young lady that went natural a couple months ago and she told me she saved an average of 500 a month.

If I was spending that type of money on haircut I would be broke. So in one way I repect the ladies that be able to spend that much money and manage their debts bc I sure couldn't

 

[Chill]

I am indeed a Black feminist. I have no issue saying that, proudly.

Somehow y'all have made Black feminist into a cuss word, and essentially fighting for the equality of Black women into a bad thing. And you see nothing wrong with it

Meanwhile the people that talk about how bad and 'divisive' Black feminists are and how much we hate Black men have literally nothing but hatred to spew about Black women at all times. You won't see them touch a topic about Black women without bringing something negative to it. It is what it is, but as the 'division' continues, know that you are on the side of the ones who do everything to keep it that way (berate, belittle, make fun of, and talk at instead of talking to the other gender).

I'ma go watch this movie though.

From what I've seen on this board concerning what's been posted concerning black feminists-has been negative. Looking from outside the box of all of this I see black feminists shytting on black men as well as black men shytting on black women.

I don't support either side.

Are you a counter-example to that stereotype?

 

[Greenstrings]

so you mean to tell me all these black men have been doing it wrong all along, all we have to do is 'not berate' black women while bringing up the issue, and they'll leave the hair hats alone? i feel like i've tried this in my personal life before.

Has it not occurred to you that a lot of what Women do to make themselves look good has more to do with other women than it does with us?

 

[marcuz]

Has it not occurred to you that a lot of what Women do to make themselves look good has more to do with other women than it does with us?

so they're fukking up their scalps to impress other women? i can buy that.

 

[Busted_Toes]

From what I've seen on this board concerning what's been posted concerning black feminists-has been negative. Looking from outside the box of all of this I see black feminists shytting on black men as well as black men shytting on black women.

I don't support either side.

Are you a counter-example to that stereotype?

Black men shyt on ratchet women regardless of race. Black women seem to defend ratchet women like they are one and the same.

You go look on the internet, go find those negative articles about black men, i GUARANTEE the editor or the writer is a Black Feminist. For every Tommy Sotomayor, there is 100 neo Black Feminists, fair exchange.

 

[Chill]

This thread went from why men should not give a damn about hair to another gender war. Trolling or not, some of y'all need help to be able to conjure these thoughts all the damn time. You clearly aren't happy with life.

 

[marcuz]

I spoke to a young lady that went natural a couple months ago and she told me she saved an average of 500 a month.

If I was spending that type of money on haircut I would be broke. So in one way I repect the ladies that be able to spend that much money and manage their debts bc I sure couldn't

a lot of them make ends meet by selling p*ssy, dont be fooled

 

[GatorStaceyAdams]

All I will say is...
Its difficult for a black man to go from a girl with natural hair back to a girl with a weave/hair hat . I know from experience...


No more worrying about "dont touch my hair" during sex
No more 10 hour salon days
No more bad weave days that have you like


You cant expect a brotha to get a taste of the good life (black female with nice hair) and turn back

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

If that's the case then this sounds personal, eye of the beholder and all that. Everything you're saying here stems from the fact that you personally can't reconcile hair the way you do the other stuff because from where I'm standing its all subject to the same socio-cultural forces and therefore equally defensible and/or worthy of critique. Putting in your two cents is fine as long as you acknowledge that it is just that and your own prejudice has no bearing on how other people conceive their race.

The hell are you even talking about? Get this verbose wannabe graduate thesis out of here

There are plenty of black beauty stores, the real problem is that not enough rigorous research has gone into making products that optimally cater to black hair, at least when compared comparatively with white hair care products. We're finally getting along the right lines here

This doesn't excuse hair OR the desire to have hair that does not resemble natural hair

Oh? well allow me to clarify. It 's not. It is in fact exactly what you are saying.

It IS an excuse. Don't tell me what black women have to go through since none of it expresses why they're the only people who can't wear their own goddamn hair.

If I can't understand something on the terms that someone presents it to me, I usually go off and research it myself to see what I come up with.

Good for you. That doesn't mean everyone is as clueless as you are.

I have all the info...and the argument still isn't substantiated in my eyes. I'm the hung-juror.

Even if you do so and still find that you disagree at least then you'll understand where people are coming from and you wouldn't be asking these questions if you had all the info but I'll try to break it down how I understand it.

Ain't nothing to understand outside of you caping for women who wear fake hair. Keep it 100. You just want to deflect responsibility here.

A girl can't just wake up in the morning and walk out the door without making her hair look sensible

Black hair is tough and prone to tangling and breakage

Sounds like NATURAL black hair to me.

Constantly brushing, combing and manipulating it is bad for it.

I see...so the solution is to imitate fine/thin white/asian/indian hair?
MAYBE your shyt ain't meant be COMBED...HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMm

This is what you get for supporting non-black beauty standards.

All the subtle shyt you're describing INDIRECTLY leads you to support weaves and YOU AINT EVEN NOTICE IT.

A little of this and a little of that and next thing you know, you're rocking a hair hat from Bombay.

When you wear a weave your own hair and scalp underneath is left untouched

but the problem is them not wanting to show the world their actual hair.

That way your hair underneath is allowed to breathe and grow (if treated right) while the weave bears the brunt of daily wear and tear.

...you act like I don't hear this bullshyt all the time.

I guess I should by a white boy beard while mine grows out for the winter.

Again this sounds like a hangup that's very specific to you. You seem to believe that a hairstyle is an equivocal representation of the depths of somebodies psyche and everything that they believe about themselves. Others might see making such an equivocation as melodramatic and ignorant.

It certainly is.

You know...like how women get haircuts after a traumatic life change or event...or how theres a stereotype of natural hair women who shop at whole foods and eat raw foods.

Hair is VERY MUCH a symbol of how you view yourself. A black woman with straightened or ironed hair speaks volumes over ones with obvious weave...but the chemicals are another issue.

But for what it's worth, the fundamental thing you're misunderstanding is that you don't have to hate what you have in order to want something else.

Theres different levels of hate. They dislike it ENOUGH not to show it to the world.

When you suggested that Asians and whites not wearing afro styles is relevant you did.

huh?

Do you not see how foolish it is to call me an apologist for saying the exact same thing as you minus an assertion that you can't possibly support?

you're an apologist for repeating shyt about black hair needing to "breathe" and "rest"

fukk outta here.

MAYBE if you treated it like you liked it, you wouldn't have to consider hiding it.

No, if we really cared about this shyt that would be part of the beginning of this discussion, I don't need to subvert this discussion, it happily subverts itself. I'll take a page out of your book to show you what I'm getting at....

HEALTHY

Another deflection.

Everything should start from here. This should be the foundation upon which we discuss hair. Natural is far too specious a term and there is no real way of drawing a line in the sand that everybody will agree on. I don't see how anybody can put any kind of chemical mass produced in a factory in their hair on a daily basis and then call it natural. Others might draw the line elsewhere. The whole natural hair debate is being conducted on shifting sands which is why there's never any headway. You can't even begin to talk about getting rid of weave when what's underneath isn't right.

Wearing weaves is a different argument from using chemicals...and something you just want to detract from.
Going down this route we might as well end up with you advocating for us to pay college athletes. [/quote][/quote]

 

[marcuz]

Are you a counter-example to that stereotype?

clearly you're not familiar with her rhetoric. we're tyrants who do nothing but rape and pillage the black woman