If more black americans played soccer we would dominate everyone like basketball

[OneManGang]

Height isn't an incredible advantage in soccer like it is in basketball, but explain how it is a disadvantage.

I wouldnt quite call it a disadvantage, but the movements required in soccer, especially in the striking and midfield positions, require alot of short quick movements. Starting and stopping, turning on a dime etc. The best midfielders are usually stocky, short leg types. Height changes your center of gravity and makes a lot of movements more difficult and slower to pull off. There are tall players but for every skillful giant, you have way more shorter, typical players. Anything above 6'3 is an anomaly and even those players are usually seen in defense, in goal, or are destroyers (players who are there to break up play and make life harder for opposing skill players; protect the defense)

These are anomalies, not the the norm. For every Pogba and Zlatan, you have multiple times more average to shorter players. It's like me posting Spud, or Nate in an NBA discussion to prove a point about height not mattering. My favorite player ever is Henry, a 6'2 legend at striker.

 

[gho3st]

Imagine if some of the greats like MJ, Magic , Bron , and Kobe if they had spent all that energy on soccer we would crush everybody internationallly just like we do in Basketball

Looking at how Black African teams dominate the world cup with their athleticism...we'd probably win a world cup by now .

 

[Hyman Roth]

So the best players are shorter than the average?

Yes.

Messi (5'7), Iniesta (5'7), Aguero (5'8), Hazard (5'8) etc.

 

[Patrick Kane]

Soccer is way more of a skilled sport than basketball or football though, where you can get by just being super athletic and physically imposing. That doesn't really translate in soccer.

Messi is a midget and he's the best player ever

Guys like Lebron I could see as a defender or goalie but even as a striker, he'd have to have a TON of skill to be that big and play up front.

 

[Malta]

These are anomalies, not the the norm. For every Pogba and Zlatan, you have multiple times more average to shorter players. My favorite player ever is Henry.

Peter Crouch looked like a damn praying mantis, they aren't that big of anomalies, there have been plenty of dudes between 6'0" - 6'4" that are/were good.



That German team that recently won the world cup had an average height of 6'2" and was the tallest in the WC, that's essentially the average height of a handegg team. What America lacks is the culture to be good, the athletes that we produce for basketball & handegg are different than the rest of the world. I don't think we'd dominate, but the US would be much much much better than it is now if basketball & handegg didn't exist.

 

[Big Boss]

Chef curry with the kick boy

 

[se1f_made]

This thread is made every 2-3 months. It never fails

They always use NBA players as an example also

 

[OneManGang]

Peter Crouch looked like a damn praying mantis, they aren't that big of anomalies, there have been plenty of dudes between 6'0" - 6'4" that are/were good.



That German team that recently won the world cup had an average height of 6'2" and was the tallest in the WC, that's essentially the average height of a handegg team. What America lacks is the culture to be good, the athletes that we produce for basketball & handegg are different than the rest of the world. I don't think we'd dominate, but the US would be much much much better than it is now if basketball & handegg didn't exist.

Peter Crouch was a good (decent) striker, and was 6'8...he was definitely an anomaly breh. But for strikers being over 6'0 isnt that big of a deal. Being over 6'3, like most NBA players are, is a big deal in soccer though. Not many 6'3 plus players out there.

You bring up Germany, but much of their height was located in defense or defensive midfield. That isn't out of the ordinary, especially for Bavarians who are large people usually. Their skill players were like all under 6'0 though. Neur, Mertesacker, Hummels, Boateng, Weidenfeller alone skewed that height average

We have the athletes, never said we didn't. I think America can be a respectable team WITH those sports existing. We have the population and culture for soccer. What we don't have is the coaching and infrastructure for soccer that even the poorest nations who are good have. And when we are winning on the world stage, it won't be because of NBA body types being on the field.

 

[Max Power]

At national team level:

Culture > coaching > skill > athleticism

 

[Mr swag]

They do

So you think Africans out there playing organized sports like they do in america?

Only people you see on those teams are the rich Africans. The others are trying to help their family pay for food and play on some dirt fields with a flat ball on their free time only. Welcome to real life

 

[Tanahashi Coates]

Was waiting to see who would mention Ibra. Balotelli and Drogba are 6'2". Traore from Ivory Coast is 6'8"

 

[Hyman Roth]

So you think Africans out there playing organized sports like they do in america?

Only people you see on those teams are the rich Africans. The others are trying to help their family pay for food and play on some dirt fields with a flat ball on their free time only. Welcome to real life

My bad, didn't realise you live in Sierra Leone.

 

[Malta]

Peter Crouch was a good (decent) striker, and was 6'8...he was definitely and anomaly breh. But for strikers being over 6'0 isnt that big of a deal. Being over 6'3, like most NBA players are, is a big deal in soccer though. Not many 6'3 plus players out there.

You bring up Germany, but much of their height was located in defense or defensive midfield. That isn't out of the ordinary, especially for Bavarians who are large people usually. Their skill players were like all under 6'0 though.

We have the athletes, never said we didn't. I think America can be a respectable team WITH those sports existing. We have the population and culture for soccer. What we don't have is the coaching and infrastructure for soccer that even the poorest nations who are good have. And when we are winning on the world stage, it won't be because of NBA body types being on the field.

When I think of Basketball players being footballers it's not LeBron I'm thinking of, it's the Westbrook (6'3") CP3 (6'1") Isiah Thomas (5'8") guys I'm thinking of, the dudes who are more in line with the average height and weight of footballers. Crouch looked sickly breh, like a stick that figured out how to move. Had the structure been in place and the feeder system been in place, those type of guys that play PG/SG (RBs & DBS from hanegg too) would be worlds better than what the US currently has on the national team.

Germany's team was still taller than what the average male is globally, the average height of WC teams falls right in line with the average height of basketball PGs / SGs. The dudes who are like LeBron would make for good goalies, and eventually one of them would be an anomaly, the point is that none of those dudes that could be great are playing Football.

The infrastructure isn't as big of an issue as the best athletes not being fed into the system. I remember in 2006 or 2010 Klinnsman was on TV basically saying the same thing, he said the US needed to get Football into "urban" areas and specifally talked about Basketball players, dude did everything but flat out say "We need some hood nikkas on the squad". As long as those two sports exist the US will not be good on the world stage, the best athletes in this country come from a population of 20 million males that mostly play two sports.

That's not to say the US would dominate, but I have to believe the US would produce players better than Dempsey and Donovan

 

[OneManGang]

When I think of Basketball players being footballers it's not LeBron I'm thinking of, it's the Westbrook (6'3") CP3 (6'1") Isiah Thomas (5'8") guys I'm thinking of, the dudes who are more in line with the average height and weight of footballers. Crouch looked sickly breh, like a stick that figured out how to move. Had the structure been in place and the feeder system been in place, those type of guys that play PG/SG (RBs & DBS from hanegg too) would be worlds better than what the US currently has on the national team.

Germany's team was still taller than what the average male is globally, the average height of WC teams falls right in line with the average height of basketball PGs / SGs. The dudes who are like LeBron would make for good goalies, and eventually one of them would be an anomaly, the point is that none of those dudes that could be great are playing Football.

The infrastructure isn't as big of an issue as the best athletes not being fed into the system. I remember in 2006 or 2010 Klinnsman was on TV basically saying the same thing, he said the US needed to get Football into "urban" areas and specifally talked about Basketball players, dude did everything but flat out say "We need some hood nikkas on the squad". As long as those two sports exist the US will not be good on the world stage, the best athletes in this country come from a population of 20 million males that mostly play two sports.

That's to say the US would dominate, but I have to believe the US would produce players better than Dempsey and Donovan

I don't disagree with anything you've written. Have a few differing opinions. As far as the height converation, 5'8 - 6'1 is not out the norm. Most of my post was directed at the field a team of SGs crowd
No team ever has had a height like that. And again even Germany's starters outside of like 3 of their main 11 was over 6'1. The best teams ae usually more around 5'8 or below for their average height.

America needs more kids playing pick up, futsal, street soccer. The game is fun, and you can't teach or coach the things you learn at the most basic level playing those games. It makes a huge difference when you get into higher level competition. I do agree America's best athletes aren't playing the game.

 

[The War Report]

Soccer can't just be played in the suburbs. The poor people need to be playing that shyt in the inner city like they do basketball on every block. America is too entrenched in their "exceptional" ways to join the world in playing soccer at a high level.