If African Americans were allowed to keep their original African culture..

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Sudan/New Zealand.
They were also instrumental in the Seminole wars after many escaped to Spanish Florida after the Stono Rebellion.
Ironic given certain Coli narratives because they were Christians (though syncretic), who spoke English, and were sometimes Mulatto.
They were such a handful the Europeans had to ban Kongolese importation. Funny because The Coli props up african religious systems, african languages, and being 100% African, which I have no issue with, but it is ahistorical to say anything other cannot be rebellious.
Also kind of demolishes the idea that Catholic influence on AAs was strictly a Gulf Coast phenomena or that AAs are strictly a West African people given that they made up a large bulk of the 900k or so slaves brought directly to the USA.

I was talking with a friend(female) who is Malagasy and we met in New Zealand but she now lives in France and married. We have been good friends over the years, and we both took a trip to Madagascar to visit her relatives. She took the ancestry.com DNA test and found out she had some genetic cousins in the United States, i think 4th or 5 cousin matches one was even a third cousin. We talked over the phone she told me many slaves from Madagascar was taken to North America as slaves. Is this true? Do many Americans have ancestry from Madagascar? For the record she looks very South East Asian which many Malagasy are not all of course but many i seen there, and i was surprised she had genetic relatives who are "black" in North America.
 

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I was talking with a friend(female) who is Malagasy and we met in New Zealand but she now lives in France and married. We have been good friends over the years, and we both took a trip to Madagascar to visit her relatives. She took the ancestry.com DNA test and found out she had some genetic cousins in the United States, i think 4th or 5 cousin matches one was even a third cousin. We talked over the phone she told me many slaves from Madagascar was taken to North America as slaves. Is this true? Do many Americans have ancestry from Madagascar? For the record she looks very South East Asian which many Malagasy are not all of course but many i seen there, and i was surprised she had genetic relatives who are "black" in North America.

I've heard of a very small portion of slaves coming from there and Mozambique.
 

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So is it reallytrue that they are related to ancient israelites?:jbhmm:

Look up what Sultan Mohammed Bello of Sokoto said about the origin of a group of people he was enslaving that were called the “Yarba”. Interesting stuff for someone who supposedly didn’t have contact with the European’s spin on the Bible yet.
 

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I've heard of a very small portion of slaves coming from there and Mozambique.
Wow, that is really crazy! She has about eight genetic cousins in America, so some of you guys are South Asian ancestry as well. That is really interesting both Africa and South East Asia.
This link somewhat touches on the slaves from Madagascar and Mozambique brought to the Americas Southeast Africa
 

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I was talking with a friend(female) who is Malagasy and we meet in New Zealand but she now lives in France and married. We have been good friends over the years, and we both took a trip to Madagascar to visit her relatives. She took the ancestry.com DNA test and found out she had some genetic cousins in the United States, i think 4th or 5 cousin matches one was even a third cousin. We talked over the phone she told me many slaves from Madagascar was taken to North America as slaves. Is this true? Do many Americans have ancestry from Madagascar? For the record she looks very South East Asian which many Malagasy are not all of course but many i seen there, and i was surprised she had genetic relatives who are "black" in North America.

Yes. People have been led to believe that all the people that came to the Americas were from West and Central Africa, however that is not true. At least 10% of the slaves came from South Africa (Mozambique, Malawi, Zambia, Zimbabwe and South Africa) and Madagascar.

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Southeast Africa

During slavery a lot of Malagasy people from Madagascar were taken to places like Virginia, North Carolina, New Jersey and New York in the USA.
Malagasy slaves | Radiant Roots, Boricua Branches
http://rootsrevealed.blogspot.com/2014/06/got-roots-in-madagascar.html
https://www.theroot.com/how-did-my-enslaved-kin-get-to-va-from-madagascar-1790861807

Famous African Americans that have Malagasy roots include Condleeza Rice, Mae Jameison, Oprah Winfrey, etc. Not so famous African Americans that have roots in Madagascar include my mother and me. In fact Polynesia came back as a high confidence area for my mother along with the Ivory Coast, Nigeria and Cameroon/Congo. So of course she has lots of relatives on Southern Africa, Madagascar and in South East Asia. Btw, Polynesia for African Americans on Ancestry is usually the indicator for Madagascar.

East Asian & Polynesian results
Polynesia Category – AncestryDNA.com
 
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I was talking with a friend(female) who is Malagasy and we met in New Zealand but she now lives in France and married. We have been good friends over the years, and we both took a trip to Madagascar to visit her relatives. She took the ancestry.com DNA test and found out she had some genetic cousins in the United States, i think 4th or 5 cousin matches one was even a third cousin. We talked over the phone she told me many slaves from Madagascar was taken to North America as slaves. Is this true? Do many Americans have ancestry from Madagascar? For the record she looks very South East Asian which many Malagasy are not all of course but many i seen there, and i was surprised she had genetic relatives who are "black" in North America.

yes, there are aframs with malagasy roots...they were imported to Virginia for rice growing methods

Proportion of Madagascar & Mozambique captives
This last chart is comparing the percentage of Madagascar captives with those from the slave port of Mozambique (not the country!). The presentday country of Mozambique was named after this island fortress but actually there were several more slave ports located in Mozambique and other parts of Southeast Africa. But Mozambique (the slave port) was firstmost in importance for almost all destinations in the Americas. For a complete overview see this chart. The striking thing about the chart below is that the USA clearly stands out as the only American destination where Madagascar captives were a majority among Southeast Africans.

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Madagascar is increasingly being discovered as a potential place of origin by African Americans who have taken a DNA test (most recently for 2 guests on this Finding Your Roots episode). Malagasy ancestry might be surprisingly widely dispersed within the African American genepool even if strongly diluted, in almost all cases. This would be judging from personal observation and based on these indicators:

  • minor Southeast Asian percentages (usually inbetween 0,5%-2%) being reported for a multitude of African Americans tested on 23andme.
  • minor but still noticeable frequency of haplogroups associated with Malagasy ancestry among African Americans tested on 23andme.
  • frequent occurence of shared DNA segments between DNA tested Malagasy and African Americans.
Unlike most other destinations in the Americas it was Madagascar rather than Mozambique which provided most of the Southeast African captives to the USA. Also unlike most other destinations (safe for the Anglo Caribbean) these captives arrived mostly during an early timeperiod (1650-1750). For several reasons it seems they may have been in a favourable position to have relatively many descendants who due to the Domestic Slave trade also ended up in the Deep South aside from Virginia and the Northern states where they were initially concentrated.

The very fortunate circumstance about tracing any possible Madagascar ancestry is that it can be confirmed much more easily by way of the unique Southeast Asian component in Malagasy genetics and the inheritance of these markers among their descendants in the Americas. The first map below explains how this came to be. The Malagasy are however not a homogenously blended group but rather consisting of many diverse ethnic (sub)groups. Undoubtedly they will therefore show much individual variation themselves in their admixture compositions. If we were to make a purely hypothetical assumption that on average the Malagasy arriving in the US might have been a 50/50 mix of Southeast Asian and Southeast African. It then becomes an interesting excercise to speculate on what a percentage of inbetween 0.5%-2% Southeast Asian on 23andme might imply about the generational distance and also the potential number of Malagassy ancestors relocated to the US. Again in most cases it will probably represent a single and very diluted family lineage. But either way it will be ancestry which is relatively easier to track and possibly even identify.

Follow these links if you want to learn more about any possible Madagascar connection:



 
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Also, we have to also keep in mind that AA's aren't a monolith. Just look at the Louisiana Creole for example. Most of them are Catholic and mix Vodoun into their practice. We also have a wide range of different religions. This inter-fighting didn't start until colonizers/slave masters created animosity between us. At one time we just practiced our faith in peace.
 

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why the MJ smiley? I said unestimated because African muslim slaves were sent to all the Americas, therefore the total number is unestimated.

I did the:mjpls:smiley because those africans were already practicing non-native, african religion(s) before they even got to the Americas since some were making a big deal about them being Christianized like Islamicized is any different or better:mjpls:
 

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Also, we have to also keep in mind that AA's aren't a monolith. Just look at the Louisiana Creole for example. Most of them are Catholic and mix Vodoun into their practice. We also have a wide range of different religions. This inter-fighting didn't start until colonizers/slave masters created animosity between us. At one time we just practiced our faith in peace.
You got a source for this? Sounds more like romanticism than actual history. Tribalism was always a factor from my research and still is to this day.
 

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Famous African Americans that have Malagasy roots include Condleeza Rice, Mae Jameison, Oprah Winfrey, etc. Not so famous African Americans that have roots in Madagascar include my mother and me. In fact Polynesia came back as a high confidence area for my mother along with the Ivory Coast, Nigeria and Cameroon/Congo. So of course she has lots of relatives on Southern Africa, Madagascar and in South East Asia. Btw, Polynesia for African Americans on Ancestry is usually the indicator for Madagascar.


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Also, we have to also keep in mind that AA's aren't a monolith. Just look at the Louisiana Creole for example. Most of them are Catholic and mix Vodoun into their practice. We also have a wide range of different religions. This inter-fighting didn't start until colonizers/slave masters created animosity between us. At one time we just practiced our faith in peace.

AAs aren’t a monolith but a lot of the practices throughout the diaspora had similarities regardless of the tribe our ancestors came from just different names. Look at libations for example.
 
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