If a group of black folks decided to buy some land and make a self-sufficient community in Wyoming..

[DPresidential]

These type of threads are very interesting, actually.

To the brehs who DEFINITELY would not only live there but would be active in creating the laws/cultures in this district:

How would Law enforcement work?

Would there be a police force? Would they carry weapons?

Would y'all support gun ownership?

What are the laws on the legalization of drugs?

Let's say this was an actual nation:

Would there be a written Constitution?

Freedom of Speech (meaning to protect controversial speech)?

Would the voting be by fully popular vote?

I might do a thread imagining we are the founding fathers of a newly created Black Nation and we had to come up with all of these rules.

 

[rbksNgirbauds]

Uhh...

I'm talking about if the town did mandatory checks of households to determine whether prohibited literature/contraband was being given to my children. Like let's say I'm a history buff and I have textbooks detailing histories from various cultures; would they be confiscated?

Is this town like any other town, just with a beautiful black face or is it a compound where the majority of news/tv stations are prohibited because of the threat of "white supremacist brainwashing"?

Would non-black people be able to visit? Or is it not possible for my son/daughter to bring their college friends/colleagues or extended family from their potential marriages to visit?

Is there a religious bend to the town? Or is this a purely atheist or non-semitic religions? If I wanted to convert to Islam, Buddhism or Judaism, would I be a pariah?

These are the questions I have.

Gotchu. But I mean at the end of the day, it would still be under American laws so I ont think explicitly imposing those credos would be constitutional.

And in either case u would still have the liberty to move out of that community, if it were to dictatorish for your liking.
In a hypothetical scenario I personally think being a little less democratic would be necessary initially to purge out the bad habits and broken mentality

 

[Dr. Acula]

These type of threads are very interesting, actually.

To the brehs who DEFINITELY would not only live there but would be active in creating the laws/cultures in this district:

How would Law enforcement work?

Would there be a police force? Would they carry weapons?

Would y'all support gun ownership?

What are the laws on the legalization of drugs?

Let's say this was an actual nation:

Would there be a written Constitution?

Freedom of Speech (meaning to protect controversial speech)?

Would the voting be by fully popular vote?

I might do a thread imagining we are the founding fathers of a newly created Black Nation and we had to come up with all of these rules.

I feel weird using a cult as an example because they did a lot of wrong shyt but these group I'm reference had plans for all this or adapted to all this.

They made their town a city under Oregon law and this allowed them to use members of the city as their own police force.

Not even talking about a nation. Just talking about a town or city. So there would be a town charter and local town laws. It would still be under federal laws in the US related to free speech and stuff.

You would have to get a wide diverse group of people on board to help make it happen. This group got architects, former wall street bankers, civil engineers, etc to move there and made it happen.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Double post

 

[DPresidential]

Gotchu. But I mean at the end of the day, it would still be under American laws so I ont think explicitly imposing those credos would be constitutional.

And in either case u would still have the liberty to move out of that community, if it were to dictatorish for your liking.
In a hypothetical scenario I personally think being a little less democratic would be necessary initially to purge out the bad habits and broken mentality

Respect.

Regarding the bolded, though, breh...that's where the slippery slope is.

That relies on the assumption that the collective's principles/value system are all in line to a T. When you establish a community or government with a rigid culture, it can - and will - create a powderkeg of secrecy and dissent.

This hypothetical scenario - at its outset - would show its flaw once we become blatantly obvious that even with a full system of indoctrination, the human mind can and will developing dissenting opinions on even some of the most sensitive issues and values.

I feel as if we tend to rely on a hollywood-ized version of black history where we fail to remember that the liberty to offer different perspectives and bounce controversial arguments against each other is the key to government survival. Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights movement probably argued and disagreed like hell; the fact that brehs weren't excommunicated because of controversially opposed opinion probably helped them.

Then you turn to a high potential and powerful organization like NOI - who were even more vulnerable to self-cannibalization since their whole principle system was so rigid that dissenting opinion by even someone high in the hierarchy like Malcolm caused upheavel as opposed to just intense discussion,argument and eventual understanding and norming.

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Any nation/jurisdiction that I leave would have to have certain protections of liberty/freedom that allows its citizens to be able to criticize without being sent to Siberia.

 

[skeetsinternal]

Rock Springs, Wyoming has a sizable black population.

The racial makeup of the city was 86.4% White, 1.4% African American, 0.8% Native American, 1.1% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 7.5% from other races, and 2.6% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 16.4% of the population.

 

[Cacs R Us]

shyt would get Waco'd in no time.

 

[Doobie Doo]

or some other sparsely populated place, would you move to help them build it?

I was listening to a podcast about this cult Rajneeshpuram and while the woman who ran the place was definitely insane, how self-sufficient they became was definitely amazing and almost inspirational.

Rajneeshpuram - Wikipedia

Made me think, without the cult craziness, of maybe some black folks getting together and doing something similar. These folks made their own water system and electrical grid and even were able to make their land into an incorporated city at one time. They even had their own police force.

There is supposedly a documentary on the group on Netflix called Wild Wild Country I need to get around to watching.

Ya ever heard of the Nation of Islam breh

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

These type of threads are very interesting, actually.

To the brehs who DEFINITELY would not only live there but would be active in creating the laws/cultures in this district:

How would Law enforcement work?

Would there be a police force? Would they carry weapons?

Would y'all support gun ownership?

What are the laws on the legalization of drugs?

Let's say this was an actual nation:

Would there be a written Constitution?

Freedom of Speech (meaning to protect controversial speech)?

Would the voting be by fully popular vote?

I might do a thread imagining we are the founding fathers of a newly created Black Nation and we had to come up with all of these rules.

Where does the idea come from that this is a self governing society?

It's still within the United States... Any rule of law would not be binding and would be superseded by state and federal law.

Unless the whole plan is to annex Wyoming from the U.S.

 

[DPresidential]

@Behelit

Breh, please watch the Netlix documentary called Wild Wild Country - which is the documentary that you alluded to in your original post.

On paper, it definitely is inspirational but when you see what is required to have that many people working like that and being almost robotic - it becomes kind of spooky.

Not to destroy your vision, because I absolutely dream of a beautiful black utopia for my kids to live in. I just think the specs of what each individual's dream is will vary wildly.

Where does the idea come from that this is a self governing society?

It's still within the United States... Any rule of law would not be binding and would be superseded by state and federal law.

Unless the whole plan is to annex Wyoming from the U.S.

Yes, you're right.

That being said, there are State Constitutions that every State has.

The U.S Constitution was a written document that had a purpose of clearly delegating the individual's right that could not be stifled as well as the rights of the State and Federal Governments.

The U.S Constitution allows a State or a jurisdiction to be able to create laws that are not explicitly stated as a federal control.

Prostitution, Drug Use, restrictions on law enforcement duties, etc would be able to be adjusted based on jurisdiction.

I asked some of those other questions to ask whether this particular place would try have written laws limiting these things (if it were a separate nation) or unwritten principles/values that everyone just knows to follow - like who would be welcome into the town or what types of things can be said in public spaces w/o the residents ostracizing and intimidating that person type of thing.

 

[Momentum]

All it takes is a few shared videos on social media and every religious cult leading nutjob and outcast is gonna want to get a piece.

It would be a perfect place for the Marcus Garvey Frederick Douglass Academy, brothers and sistassssss

 

[SHO-NUFF]

We already attempted this on several occasions, the one I know most about being Tulsa.
We saw how that ended up in 1921.

I'm convinced the almighty will have to remove evil from the earth; we have not enough bullets, bombs, or dollars to fight the devil, especially from Wyoming, or anywhere else in his backyard.

Oh, you don't wanna compete with or threaten the enemy, huh? You just want to get away, off to your own, bothering nobody.........

I want that too, but Guess what: you wanting to exit this failed slave-trap is a non-starter for the devil; they still feel they own you, breh

 

[rbksNgirbauds]

Respect.

Regarding the bolded, though, breh...that's where the slippery slope is.

That relies on the assumption that the collective's principles/value system are all in line to a T. When you establish a community or government with a rigid culture - it can - and will - create a powderkeg of secrecy and dissent.

This hypothetical scenario - at its outset - would show its flaw once we become blatantly obvious that even with a full system of indoctrination, the human mind can and will developing dissenting opinions on even some of the most sensitive issues and values.

I feel as if we tend to rely on a hollywood-ized version of black history where we fail to remember that the liberty to offer different perspectives and bounce controversial arguments against each other is the key to government survival. Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights movement probably argued and disagreed like hell; the fact that brehs weren't excommunicated because of controversially opposed opinion probably helped them.

Then you turn to a high potential and powerful organization like NOI - where even more vulnerable to self-cannibalization since their whole principle system was so rigid that dissenting opinion by even someone high in the hierarchy like Malcolm caused upheavel as opposed to just intense discussion,argument and eventual understanding and norming.

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Any nation/jurisdiction that I leave would have to have certain protections of liberty/freedom that allows its citizens to be able to criticize without being sent to Siberia.

Great analogy and I see watchu mean. Cause even more than just X, the NOI exiled Dr. Khallid Muhammad as well. Two great leaders and orators who could shift a generations mindset off the strength of their mouthpiece. And whoms bold and unfiltered personalities are sorely missed today. So that's an example of being too rigid gone wrong.

On the flipside, using your Civil Rights example, being too lax and too open minded led to infiltration and the watering down of the movement. Mainly by those crooked nose jews.

So it would definitely need to be some sort of middle ground. But I think having some foundational principles that are a little less flexible is imperative to building new communities, whether it be explict or implicit. (ie. Don't ever say you wouldn't hire cacs in your workforce, but at the same time choose one of your own over them 98% of the time.) At least until we've been firmly established for some time and have garnished respect from outside communities

 

[bx.lion]

would never happen

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

The one problem with this is that it'll take a large amount of blacks who are invested in the trades for this type of community to work.... a bunch of college educated folk who are reliant on working within the confines of corporate America aint gonna cut it.