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I'll read the full article in a minute, but I had to stop.....

"MESTIZO".....implies white and indigenous mixing...........were not the Arawaks and the Carib Indians decimated for the most part before most blacks made it to the Caribbean.

So how is the author using the term "mestizo"....doesn't he mean "mulatto"...of black and white mixing?

Mestizo seems more applicable to Mexico, Peru, Colombia, or even Brazil and Chile....but not the Caribbean.....the author is using incorrect terminology...maybe I'm wrong..
 
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Whites are the minority on this planet and they have a negative birth rate, the only way they can survive is by killing off non white people and whitening the survivors and allowing then under the umbrella of white.

South America and a lot of other countries around the world used to be much darker than they are now, but groups all over the planet practice not procreating with dark skinned people because of how they're treated, white people literally have a vested interest in dark skinned people being mistreated, it sends a clear message to any future parent that their child needs to be lighter to get preferential treatment.

Sad but true. I wish some of these groups of melanted/African people would realize our struggles as Black people globally are similar. But a lot see "Black" as bad & try to distance themselves from the term & people in favor of white acceptance.
 

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To this very day mulatto and quadroons continue the practice of only procreating with someone their color or lighter. Creole people in new Orleans discuss it openly with no problem.

:ohhh: I thought the Creole whole antiblackness game had died down?
 

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I'll read the full article in a minute, but I had to stop.....

"MESTIZO".....implies white and indigenous mixing...........were not the Arawaks and the Carib Indians decimated for the most part before most blacks made it to the Caribbean.

So how is the author using the term "mestizo"....doesn't she mean "mulatto"...of black and white mixing?

Yeah a lot were. Euro's brought their filthy diseases to these countries & nearly wiped out the natives within 10 years I believe. That's why they had to "import" more Africans to these places. Natives didn't have any resistance to their diseases
 

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Sad but true. I wish some of these groups of melanted/African people would realize our struggles as Black people globally are similar. But a lot see "Black" as bad & try to distance themselves from the term & people in favor of white acceptance.

Black people around the world do recognize our collective struggle but at the end of the day, people want to be treated as humans and they don't want their offspring to deal with the same issues they deal with so they exercise the one thing they have some control over, their right to choose who to procreate with based on the color of their skin.
 

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I'll read the full article in a minute, but I had to stop.....

"MESTIZO".....implies white and indigenous mixing...........were not the Arawaks and the Carib Indians decimated for the most part before most blacks made it to the Caribbean.

So how is the author using the term "mestizo"....doesn't she mean "mulatto"...of black and white mixing?

Mestizo seems more applicable to Mexico, Peru, Colombia, or even Brazil and Argentina...but not the Caribbean....maybe I'm wrong..


Yes, but to some people the term is interchangable. Go fig!
 

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:ohhh: I thought the Creole whole antiblackness game had died down?

It's so pervasive that they don't even recognize it as anti Blackness, they say things like, I just wanted to keep the light eyes in the family or I just want my baby to have the same grade of hair.

:francis:
 

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a group of Haitians got shot by skinheads in my city last week, one of them died.

I'll read the full article in a minute, but I had to stop.....

"MESTIZO".....implies white and indigenous mixing...........were not the Arawaks and the Carib Indians decimated for the most part before most blacks made it to the Caribbean.

So how is the author using the term "mestizo"....doesn't she mean "mulatto"...of black and white mixing?

Mestizo seems more applicable to Mexico, Peru, Colombia, or even Brazil and Chile....but not the Caribbean....maybe I'm wrong..

It's no big deal, breh. Most people just use mestizo/mestiço to describe mixed race people, whether white mixed with indian or white mixed with Black.
 
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Most are very darkskinned and African in appearance.


And they killed millions of french cacs and kicked them out of Haiti for good. Just because they fought hard for their dignity and freedom, and their right to govern themselves as a people and nation, they got called savage beasts and uncivilized brutes that just wanted to wild out by killing cacs senseless. Racist imperalist Cacs and c00ns(domos...) worked overtime in the next century, to destroy the reputation of Haiti, cribble them of massive debt, and destroy the validity and justification of their fight for freedom.
 

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It's so pervasive that they don't even recognize it as anti Blackness, they say things like, I just wanted to keep the light eyes in the family or I just want my baby to have the same grade of hair.

:francis:


I thought the creoles had graduated from that.
 

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It's so pervasive that they don't even recognize it as anti Blackness, they say things like, I just wanted to keep the light eyes in the family or I just want my baby to have the same grade of hair.

:francis:

You lived in New Orleans?
 

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:mjcry:I read a book based on the life of this Afro-Cuban women name Reyita, and she said she would never marry or have kids with a Black man(even tho she had nothing against Black men).

Her logic is that she doesnt want her kids to face what comes with being Black.

Theres a term for this, advanza la raza(advance the race)

Which race is she trying to advance? :laugh:
 

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’Whitening’ the children: a desire of many Cuban families

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An English Translation of: La Carpeta De Iván, from Havana, Cuba
’Whitening’ the children: a desire of many Cuban families
Posted by Iván García


Racism in Cuba is far from being left behind. Forget the official ideology of a single nation without races. People do not live in compartments. Whites, blacks and mestizos get on the same bus. Go to the same schools. And live in the same neighborhood.

But they know the differences.. One of the most racist variants in the 21st century that persists in Cuba is in creating a family. Yoanna, a light skinned mixed-race college student, has a black boyfriend.

Her family is black. And they do not welcome the groom. They are very concerned stability and seriousness of the relationship. Especially the future. And the likely children.

“My family is concerned, they say I have to ‘delay’. My mother married a white man. And they want this to ‘continue’, having children with whites. I won’t lie, I’d rather not have to deal with the nappy hair of a little black girl. And although I really love my boyfriend, I want to form a family with a white man,” said Yoanna.

Planning for children between blacks and mestizos is an important issue in some home environment. “To whiten” the family is the purpose. Purely from a complex, some blacks and mestizos are shying away from their blackness.

I won’t make this into a long story. We know the past. Centuries of slavery. Being nobodies and despised by the color of your skin. When Cuba became emancipated in the racial aspect, it was only in appearance.

In Gothic letters it was enshrined in the Constitution that all Cubans, no matter what the color of their skin, were equal. Not so. Blacks and mestizos are left at a disadvantage.

They came out of slavery with their belongings in a duffel bag and not a penny to their names. For decades, they have been called the ugliest. They have the worst living and working conditions. This lack of stability, bad housing and little money, has limited the number of blacks who go to college.

Also the marginal conditions in which they live has fueled crime. 88% of prisoners in Cuba are black or mixed race. Therefore, when designing the future, young blacks and mixed-race people dream in white.

Marrying a white woman or white man is the plan of many. Or a light-skinned mulatto. To keep it going. “It’s like a ladder. A dark black person, who nobody sees, can not suddenly think to be equal to a white champion. It is step by step. First a dark mixed-race person. Then the children must marry to light mixed-race person, or if they are lucky, with a white person. Such is the picture to gradually whiten the family,”says Yoni, a 34-year-old mixed race man.

There are black and mixed race women who do not like their skin color. It shows at once. It straighten their hair and in fashion mimic the patterns of white women. Miriam, black, 22, goes every month for the hairdresser to get her hair straightened.

She spends a fortune on straightening creams and shampoos. She chooses her friends. She likes hanging out with whites and light-skinned people. “Blacks only talk about problems and difficulties. They’re always complaining. They’re out of control,” Miriam says bluntly.

State media does not address the issue at length and complexity. They put it aside. Pass over it. A broad spectrum of Cuban society sees black culture and history as folklore.

But in their homes, blacks and mestizos speak without taboo of the need to ’whiten’ the family. Having children with lighter skin what the parents propose, and what their children see as a goal.

Photo: Javier Monge, Flickr.

September 28 2011

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Moses on February 25, 2012 at 11:05 am
Your story is very sad but indeed a reality in Cuba. I am medium-dark African-american married to a “mulatta clara” Cuban. When we met and started dating, her biggest hesitation in introducing me to her family was the fact that I am two “shades” darker than she is and her family always wanted her to have children with someone whiter than her. OK, the fact that I am an American trumped the whole color problem, but if I had been a Cuban, or worse, Haitian, forget about it. Of course, what kind of man, father, husband, provider, protector and other measures had bearing but my skin color (and by association, hair texture) was at the top of the list. Another interesting aspect of the “whitening” process desired by many Cubans is the names of the categories of skin color and hair texture. I won’t list them here but I have counted up to ten. The top of the list is blanco rubio and the bottom is negro prieto. No one wants to be just black so the goal is to be in a category other than black.

This is old news to me:yeshrug:
 
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