I Want To Believe... But I Can't: The Official 2023 New York Yankees Off-season Thread

[tremonthustler1]

way to go Gleyber


this offense simply isn't good enough and Volpe can't be up here is there's a better option who we're wasting in AAA.

If Peraza isn't traded or on the team getting regular AB's by the deadline, this team has learned nothing about player development.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Man I’ve been all for Volpe staying in the lineup and taking his bruises but I don’t know if you can keep this guy with team for much longer.

.185 on a team where everyone else is hitting, you can deal with, NOT when everyone is either hurt, trash or both.

 

[g-ice]

Have to bring Pereza up at this point. Volpe is not cutting it offensively.

 

[holidayinn21]

This is why I said Judge should've either left, or waited for the FO to make moves before signing

He deserves better than this.

Even Mattingly had HOF's in his prime.

Six games against two teams bottom-10 in ERA, and put up a whole 15 runs

 

[tremonthustler1]

 

[g-ice]

A .116 batting overall...wow! Honestly, you have to be impressed by that level of ineptitude.

 

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I told all of you.

 

[Tres Leches]

can we actually field a serious professional lineup ? got this garbage lineup like were a small market team Oakland or Kansas City , its fn embarrassing wheres the outrage


bauer , mckinley , trevino , volpe , is this shyt a joke



then you got the known names who are washed Rizzo, Donaldson, DJ cmon



at this rate pitching staff gonna be exhausted by july


if im the other teams i never pitch to Judge

 

[IGSaint12]

It's insane to me that Cashman and the FO watched the ineptness of the offense in the playoffs and decided to run it back. Is that what it's like when you're never in fear of losing your job? Insanity.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Man I’ve been all for Volpe staying in the lineup and taking his bruises but I don’t know if you can keep this guy with team for much longer.

way to go Gleyber


this offense simply isn't good enough and Volpe can't be up here is there's a better option who we're wasting in AAA.

If Peraza isn't traded or on the team getting regular AB's by the deadline, this team has learned nothing about player development.

Have to bring Pereza up at this point. Volpe is not cutting it offensively.

They’ve developed 2 guys total since cashman got the job. There’s no way any other team in pro sports has a track record anywhere near that bad in that span. This dude should’ve been blacklisted by the sport as a whole a decade ago. Legit every move he makes backfires and then refuses to fix his obvious mistakes.

This is why I said Judge should've either left, or waited for the FO to make moves before signing

He deserves better than this.

Even Mattingly had HOF's in his prime.

Six games against two teams bottom-10 in ERA, and put up a whole 15 runs

can we actually field a serious professional lineup ? got this garbage lineup like were a small market team Oakland or Kansas City , its fn embarrassing wheres the outrage


bauer , mckinley , trevino , volpe , is this shyt a joke



then you got the known names who are washed Rizzo, Donaldson, DJ cmon



at this rate pitching staff gonna be exhausted by july


if im the other teams i never pitch to Judge

I was telling people that if judge was gonna come back he needed his terms to be that cashman isn’t brought back or that he does the 2014-18 LeBron thing where he plays on 1 year deals every year so the threat of him leaving if the front office doesn’t get its shyt together forced them to act.

They’ve hardly tried at all to make sure they even have a major league caliber bat at shortstop, catcher, left field, or centerfield for the past 4 years and last year went out of their way to get older, slower, worse, and more expensive at third base while using that awful deal as their excuse to not get as good as possible at the other positions I mentioned and didn’t even look Freddie Freeman’s direction when he’s putting up Albert Pujols numbers. How do they expect us to buy tickets or tune in to watch this, especially when the GM outright said that results don’t matter to him?

On the year they have a team obp of .301, which is 4th worst in the majors. Detroit or Kansas City is worst at .292 so far.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

67 games in here’s where the team is at from a players standpoint besides Judge, Rizzo (who has slumped bad lately, & Cole:

Jose Trevino: 38 games played, 2 doubles, 3 homers, 13 RBI’s. A .214/.258/.308 triple slash. No defense is worth hitting that bad. His obp is what 2020 Gary Sanchez was at


Torres: .253/.331/.429 triple slash with 8 doubles, 11 homers, 28 RBI’s & 6 steals but he’s been caught stealing 5 times. Not bad, but nothing special


Volpe: .186/.260/.345 triple slash. I don’t care what the stolen base numbers are, you can’t have a guy on your team hitting like this. He’s been a .150 hitter for the past 6 weeks. They passed on 5 different all star free agents at the position for this.

DJ: 58 games played with a .236/.297/.382 triple slash. More strikeouts than games played. Been horrible since last July. He might be finished

Cabrera: 57 games played with a .196/.244/.307 triple slash. Another guy who might not even be good enough to play in the majors

Bader: 26 games played with a .267/.295/.511 triple slash. Can’t count on a guy who’s missed probably 62-65% of the team’s games since joining the team.

Calhoun: 40 games played, 5 homers, 16 RBI’s, & a .240/.309/.416 triple slash. Not horrible, but not good. Only 17 strikeouts.

IKF: 51 games played, almost all in the outfield where he doesn’t have the arm to play. Been better lately but has a .243/.284/.357 triple slash with 3 homers & 15 RBI’s

Higgy: 37 games played. 3 homers & 17 RBI’s on a .229/.282/.385 triple slash

Jake Bauers: 33 games played with 5 homers & 11 RBI’s on a .220/.313/.476 triple slash. He’s an infielder who Cashman keeps playing in the outfield

Stanton: 20 games played (being sat every other day as a DH and they won’t let him play the field even as they have multiple infielders playing the outfield . Has a .233/.292/.493 triple slash. Hard to judge a guy who hasn’t played much, isn’t allowed to play the field when he’s better if he does and stays healthier when he does too.

Hicks: garbage in every conceivable manner, complained about his role when he wasn’t producing so he got regular playing time, and wouldn’t even play hard

Franchy Cordero:

9 hitters with an obp below .300 on the year & just 4 guys on the team hitting above .245 on the year. Last week they had an expected average of .268 on balls they put into play for the season, which would be the second worst mark of any team in the majors since 2002. As unwatchable as any offense I’ve seen. Aside from judge it’s like the baseball version of the 2006 Oakland Raiders offense

Pitching:

The pen has been really good. Let’s see the starters.

Nestor: 11 starts with a 5.16 ERA & a 1.30 WHIP. Can’t pitch past the 4th inning.

Severino: 4 starts with a 5.75 ERA. Good in 2 starts & crushed in the other 2.

Rodon: might be another Carl Pavano situation. At this point I have to assume he was hurt at the time of his signing and the team either missed it or knew and signed him anyway

Schmidt: 4.70 ERA & a 2-6 record in his 10 starts. WHIP of 1.40 & allows 10 hits per 9 innings

Brito: 5.58 ERA in 10 starts with a WHIP of nearly 1.50 & walks 4 guys per 9 innings

Germán: 3.49 ERA in 10 starts with a WHIP under 1.0 and is giving up 6 hits, 1.3 homers, & 2.8 walks per 9 innings. He’s legitimately been good.

Montas: career 4.50 ERA outside of the Oakland coliseum, was horrible last year after the trade. He was hurt bad on his throwing shoulder, cashman knew it before the trade, made the trade anyway, and now he’s likely out for the year. Another potential Carl Pavano situation just like Rodon.

A $280 million budget for Judge, Cole, & basically a mountain of garbage and/or guys who can’t be counted on to play at all after that. There’s no doubt in my mind you could take a walk around the south Bronx, grab some random guy off the street to hire as GM, and you’d have a realistic shot at better results than this. It is borderline criminal that the league office allows Hal to keep this guy employed. The McCourts did far less damage to the dodgers & the league as a whole before the league office stepped in and forced a sale.

 

[Mantle Drunk]

They’ve developed 2 guys total since cashman got the job. There’s no way any other team in pro sports has a track record anywhere near that bad in that span. This dude should’ve been blacklisted by the sport as a whole a decade ago. Legit every move he makes backfires and then refuses to fix his obvious mistakes.


I was telling people that if judge was gonna come back he needed his terms to be that cashman isn’t brought back or that he does the 2014-18 LeBron thing where he plays on 1 year deals every year so the threat of him leaving if the front office doesn’t get its shyt together forced them to act.

They’ve hardly tried at all to make sure they even have a major league caliber bat at shortstop, catcher, left field, or centerfield for the past 4 years and last year went out of their way to get older, slower, worse, and more expensive at third base while using that awful deal as their excuse to not get as good as possible at the other positions I mentioned and didn’t even look Freddie Freeman’s direction when he’s putting up Albert Pujols numbers. How do they expect us to buy tickets or tune in to watch this, especially when the GM outright said that results don’t matter to him?

On the year they have a team obp of .301, which is 4th worst in the majors. Detroit or Kansas City is worst at .292 so far.

I didn’t understand at the time why they didn’t have any interest in Freeman. Instead they took on Donaldson contract.

Made zero sense.

 

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Right now, the Yankees project as something like a Wild Card team.
Problem is, the Blue Jays and Orioles project right there with them. Not to mention the Astros, and if they get hot -- the Angels.

In all likelihood, they don't come anywhere close to the Rays. Tampa not only wins the division easily, the probably wind up with the best record in baseball.

If Judge is out for a long time, or hits the injured list again later in the season, the Yankees are toast.

Like I said in earlier posts, Judge and Rizzo are the main threats of the lineup. Gleyber hasn't been great but he's been better than expected
Volpe just needs to be aggressive earlier in the counts. Stanton and Donaldson can't be relied on to be major offensive threats anymore, though Stanton has more juice left if he can just remain on the field. Stanton still has real power left but he has no plate discipline. Donaldson has more plate discipline but hits everything on the ground these days. It's to the point that I don't even think Donaldson's defense is worth the roster spot anymore, but he has no trade value so they're just gonna move on at the end of the season.

I think the pitching staff is fine, provided that Rodon can join the rotation. The reality is that while German and Cortes are volatile, they're fine pitchers if they are your 4th and 5th options. As your 3rd and 4th guys? Not so much.

If you're thinking the Yankees need to make a trade, the market just isn't good this year. Not for what they need, anyway, which is pretty much infielders.

Matt Chapman is the biggest name but if you think Toronto is going to trade him to the Yankees when he's having a career year ahead of free agency...

After that you're scraping the bottom of the barrel with guys like Jeimer Candelario and Joey Wendle. I doubt Milwaukee would give up Brian Anderson but he's not a huge upgrade. And considering they're in the playoff hunt I don't see them moving Anderson unless somehow Tyler Black starts killing it in the minors.

The real attractive options in trades or free agency this winter center around Outfielders and Pitchers. The Yankees already have too many damn outfielders so if things go south, maybe they look to unload a couple of guys. Hell, they already sent Aaron Hicks to the bushes. Maybe Stanton is next. Certainly Calhoun.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

I didn’t understand at the time why they didn’t have any interest in Freeman. Instead they took on Donaldson contract.

Made zero sense.

He had to get ikf to prove he’d be a great shortstop and taking on Donaldson was part of that. A quintessential “I’m the smartest guy in the room” move. Cashman’s ego was too big to get a great player in his prime. Same reason he wanted Jeter & A-Rod gone, same reason he passed on Harper & Machado in favor of shytty pitchers, Hicks, Gio, & DJ in 2019. Same reason he went for Montas instead of Luis Castillo last year. Same reason he went for Gallo in 2021. Same reason he wouldn’t trade Eduardo Nuñez & Ivan Nova for Cliff Lee in 2010. Same reason he tried to replace Robinson Cano with Beltran, McCann, & Ellsbury in 2013. Same reason he went after Happ & Sonny Gray instead of trading Frazier, Adams, & Andujar for Cole in 2018. Same reason he never tried to get JT Realmuto and stuck with Gary through 2021. Same reason he passed on all the shortstops he did.

He can’t handle sharing credit because he didn’t get any for winning with the team Bob Watson and stick Michael left him which he didn’t build, so now he only wants to win with garbage players so he’ll be hailed as a genius. Winning isn’t enough for him. He’s gotta be the smartest guy in the room too. Same reason Jerry Krause blew up the bulls in 1998. Same reason AJ Smith fired Marty Schottenheimer in 2006 and beefed with all the chargers best players including LT. Same reason Jerry Jones chased Jimmy Johnson out of Dallas after consecutive Super Bowl wins.

 

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He had to get ikf to prove he’d be a great shortstop and taking on Donaldson was part of that. A quintessential “I’m the smartest guy in the room” move. Cashman’s ego was too big to get a great player in his prime. Same reason he wanted Jeter & A-Rod gone, same reason he passed on Harper & Machado in favor of shytty pitchers, Hicks, Gio, & DJ in 2019. Same reason he went for Montas instead of Luis Castillo last year. Same reason he went for Gallo in 2021. Same reason he wouldn’t trade Eduardo Nuñez & Ivan Nova for Cliff Lee in 2010. Same reason he tried to replace Robinson Cano with Beltran, McCann, & Ellsbury in 2013. Same reason he went after Happ & Sonny Gray instead of trading Frazier, Adams, & Andujar for Cole in 2018. Same reason he never tried to get JT Realmuto and stuck with Gary through 2021. Same reason he passed on all the shortstops he did.

He can’t handle sharing credit because he didn’t get any for winning with the team Bob Watson and stick Michael left him which he didn’t build, so now he only wants to win with garbage players so he’ll be hailed as a genius. Winning isn’t enough for him. He’s gotta be the smartest guy in the room too. Same reason Jerry Krause blew up the bulls in 1998. Same reason AJ Smith fired Marty Schottenheimer in 2006 and beefed with all the chargers best players including LT. Same reason Jerry Jones chased Jimmy Johnson out of Dallas after consecutive Super Bowl wins.

I'm not sure I agree with everything here but talk about "going in"



I love the passion though. Or maybe it's disgust.