I used to think Obama resentment birthed MAGA, but was it backlash to Barry Bonds?

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

Rush Limbaugh was laying the groundwork for this for decades. No coincidence that he was awarded the Medal of Freedom by Trump

What I'm saying is that, at the time, I underestimated how much the resentment of Bonds contributed to what was brewing.
Baseball is still at the core of mainstream Americana, and Ruth is still one of the big white sports icons.

The MAGA base has always been around since forever, but just under a different name.

It didn't start with Trump nor with Bonds nor Limbaugh.

 

[Tom Foolery]

Honestly, I don't see how this thread even exists as it's two completely different scenarios with nothing in common.

I don't even like the term MAGA. It's dismissive of the real issue of White Nationalism and places all the blame on Trump. Like if Trump is gone everything becomes ok.

We all know these Far-Right ideologies have been openly floating around the internet for 2 decades. Long before all of this.

This is not new, nor is it going away, no matter how hard Google tries to scrub them of the net. Believe me, I see them and they are as strong as ever.

And the reason why "MAGA" got pushed into the mainstream was because of Illegal Immigration. There is no winning counter argument against it.

 

[8WON6]

yeah, i'm not seeing this barry bonds connection. And i was very aware of what was going on with baseball around the time Mcquire/Sosa and Bonds were all going crazy. The rise of this Maga shyt started with the election of Obama. If yall can remember, before Obama got elected the internet was very self segregated. Every different group had their own little corner of the internet. Everything from porn, to music, to sports, racists had their own corner and there wasn't alot of "invading" of other spaces. Once Obama got elected, he kind of came out of nowhere in the eyes of white people. A lot of white folks thought Obama was some secret plan that black people orchestrated on some secret website. That's when you started seeing the racists leave places like st0rmfr0nt and "invade" facebook, twitter, etc...

 

[Tom Foolery]

Rush Limbaugh was laying the groundwork for this for decades. No coincidence that he was awarded the Medal of Freedom by Trump

What I'm saying is that, at the time, I underestimated how much the resentment of Bonds contributed to what was brewing.
Baseball is still at the core of mainstream Americana, and Ruth is still one of the big white sports icons.

Sorry, I don't see the connection.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

I don't even like the term MAGA. It's dismissive of the real issue of White Nationalism and places all the blame on Trump. Like if Trump is gone everything becomes ok.

We all know these Far-Right ideologies have been openly floating around the internet for 2 decades. Long before all of this.

This is not new, nor is it going away, no matter how hard Google tries to scrub them of the net. Believe me, I see them and they are as strong as ever.

And the reason why "MAGA" got pushed into the mainstream was because of Illegal Immigration. There is no winning counter argument against it.

Exactly. They've always been around under a different name, but Trump put the battery in their back and gave them the opening to bring their ideals to the forefront. Trump didn't create the MAGA base, but more so took advantage of the base and voters that the Republican party refused to acknowledge for reasons we know why. I live in Mississippi so I see them on a daily basis.

He saw the opening that McCain and Romney wanted no part of and used it to win Presidency. It just so happened that it was a perfect storm and he went up against a candidate who was just as tainted and flawed as he was. It's laughable that Biden and other people think that all is well again just because Trump is out of office now.

The Republicans aren't going to do shyt about it as they need that racist portion of their base when it comes to voting time. That's the exact reason why they didn't help convict Trump as it would have been alienating the majority of their voting base.

 

[Consigliere]

The MAGA stuff was always coming. See the great replacement theory for why. Obama just kicked it into overdrive.

 

[get these nets]

The MAGA base has always been around since forever, but just under a different name.

It didn't start with Trump nor with Bonds nor Limbaugh.

?????

Not sure if you go this far back, but when Bill Clinton was elected ...Rush went from obscure late night figure to popular radio/tv host almost right away.
Clinton, his Black cabinet appointees, "multicultural America"and the end of the Reagan era were the daily topics. Especially the end of the Reagan era. MAGA is literally reagan revisionism.

I didn't just pull the Limbaugh reference out of thin air, or google it.
That piece of shyt had been sowing white resentment for years.

 

[Thavoiceofthevoiceless]

?????

Not sure if you go this far back, but when Bill Clinton was elected ...Rush went from obscure late night figure to popular radio/tv host almost right away.
Clinton, his Black cabinet appointees, "multicultural America"and the end of the Reagan era were the daily topics. Especially the end of the Reagan era. MAGA is literally reagan revisionism.

I didn't just pull the Limbaugh reference out of thin air, or google it.
That piece of shyt had been sowing white resentment for years.

I get what you're saying but again the white resentment has always been there since the beginning of time. What you're essentially doing is pinning it all on once person when that's totally not the case and even you know that.

 

[desjardins]

yea i had like a hour+ commute back then and it was before podcast
i listened to local sports radio every day and Howard Eskin and the elk would talk about that shyt all day every day
they def talked as if Babe Ruth had the record

 

[Adeptus Astartes]

I remember Cax saying a long time ago that racism was going away until Obama got in. Nerve of those mfs

"Obama was the most divisive President in history!!111"

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Let's be real though.. Big Mac got the 70 home run record and even after it came out that he was all juiced up they wanted to let it slide..

Until Bonds came along. Bonds was 10x the player of McGwire but that didn't matter to these cacs they vilified him and wanted to make him the face of the story

 

[Mike the Executioner]

All I can say is that when I was younger, Bonds was the most hated man in sports. If he wasn't in San Francisco, crowds were guaranteed to boo him. I heard the word "asterisk" thrown around a lot. That's how I learned what it meant.

It wasn't until I was older that I realized the implications behind how he was treated.

 

[Vandelay]

It wasn’t Bonds but the OP is hitting on something key to racism: the way sports media, especially sports radio/tv, foster white resentment. Think about the black narratives that are always in sports media:

-Anger over large contracts given to black players
-Anger over black players commenting on social issues
-Anger over black players using leverage in FA
-Fake narratives about black players not trying hard enough
-White players are smarter, black players more athletic
-“Lack of father figure” criticisms of Bron
-Dismissive attitude towards black coaches/“token hires”

Then think about the way hosts tackle political topics that relate to sports. The “good cop bad cop” dynamic where black hosts often take hard positions against black players talking about racism/police/etc. The way Stephen A is trotted out whenever a player goes too far off the plantation.

White people sit around mad at sports all day and it mirrors their general views on race.

Exactly what I was thinking. Bonds didn't start it, but the rhetoric around black athletes especially on sports media, sports radio in particular ratcheted up the animosity tremendously.

I lived in Philly when McNabb was the Eagles Quarterback, and even when he perennially took the Eagles to the NFC championship, a large part of the Eagles white fan base in Philadelphia, I won't say most, but a very large part of the white fan base consistently fired unfair and inaccurate criticism towards him. Most of it was lead by WIP 610 and the 98% white broadcasters. From jump its like they had an agenda against dude. It was flat out irrational, because dude was a top 5 Quarterback his first 5-6 years in the league.

 

[ColdSlither]

One of the PBS Frontline Documentaries about him laid it out perfectly in how the MAGA base came to be. Trump saw an opening and used the segment of the base Republican that Romney and McCain refused to acknowledge. He started plotting after Romney's election loss and it was a perfect storm of running against Hilary and the government shutdown happening during the same year. The Republicans biggest mistake was bringing him into the fold in the first place years before as he doublecrossed them all. Even Mitt had trotted him out on stage during his election run not realizing Trump's true intentions.

The MAGA base was always there, but Trump gave them the voice to speak and act through.

People keep trying to dig deep to where MAGA came from. It's been here. It's the segment of the party that the mainstream Republicans didn't fukk with, but also wouldn't disavow. Allowed just enough crazy to happen to keep them at bay. This is a monster they and conservative media created. Donald Trump is an oafish buffoon, but he's not a fukking idiot. He said years ago that he could run as a Republican and do very well. And you best believe, in true bully that's never been checked, Obama roasting him at the White House Correspondents Dinner, set him the fukk off. A bully can give shyt but can't take it. People said for years what conservative media was peddling, and what these Republican elected officials allowed, was a powder keg just waiting to go off. Now they can't control their monster, and they are afraid of their base. And not politically.

 

[Legal]

If we're being real, it's neither Barack Obama, or Barry Bonds.

It's just resentment towards black people in general. Sometimes the obvious answer is the correct one brehs.