I think ending a match with a "finisher" is overrated

[FunkDoc1112]

Bret was the "Excellence of Execution" for a reason. And anything used in excess can become a negative. Not to mention, the business has also evolved for better or worse. Those random roll up pins on television or PPV to protect the loser feel cheap and overused 90% of the time. It's become a meme over the last few years and is mocked as the most devastating finisher in the business.




Coli continues to remain bizzaro world. Guys are actually campaigning for more of them than there are already are.

I think the problem is the way WWE uses roll-ups these days - 90% of the time it's somebody being a dumbass and distracted by something and getting rolled up. With Bret, the pin finishes were always clever and strategic - he outwrestled someone rather than just being in the right place at the right time. Similarly, WWE overuses the "surprise elimination" shyt too in battle royals and Royal Rumbles. Basically, the root problem is WWE's lack of creativity. Instead of actual smart finishes you just have everybody winning by flukey/borderline heel tactics and looking like dorks.

 

[MushroomX]

Steamboat vs. Savage, arguably one of the best matches ever, ended on a Small Package. I can't remember when 'Finishers' became the norm, maybe during the Hogan-era. These days you can hit 9 Finishers, I think it Ziggler vs. Cena (c), and Cena still kicked out.

It's basically become the 3-point shot in the NBA, everyone does it, so when a simple move like a roll-up/small package happens, it works because people have become too used to false finishes.

I also remember when 1-2-3 Kid won over Razor Ramon with a moonsault into a pin.

 

[threattonature]

My favorite kind of finishes are the ones you dont see coming, like a roll up pin, or a high impact move that you don't believe someone can kick out from, The problem with wrestling these days is I see too many high impact moves that should wipe out the opponent and a finisher is not needed and not enough roll up out of nowhere pins

dont get me wrong a finisher like the Stone Cold Stunner, Pedigree, etc or a submissiom is still dope but every match shouldn't be necessary

I agree, it's important for the long game. In big matches it kills the close falls because we know the match is going to end on a finisher so you don't buy the pinfall attempt if it's not after a finisher. That's why I prefer wrestlers having secondary finishers and would love to see some matches simply end after huge moves, especially in matches like TLCs.

 

[The_Sheff]

These guys are basically putting finishers on each other all match long now. It's not entertaining for me. I know I'm old now but I miss when you had to work your way up to getting a suplex on someone, and a suplex was going to take a lot out of your opponent. They were going to be slowed down for a minute after taking that. A random ddt because you were distracted, yeah you might get pinned on that even if that wasn't your opponents finisher. These cats delivering them flip off the top rope powerbombs, with no pin attempt.

The matches now, they try to show you EVERYTHING, in every match. You arent supposed to be kicking out of finishers or outlasting a submission on a random weekday event. Those are the nights you lose because the opponent had his feet on the ropes or he held your tights in the roll up.

 

[krackdagawd]

thats the thing though in folkstyle/freestyle wrestling there are just some pins you can't get out of unless you are either very lucky or the guy putting it on doesn't have the technique right. You get cradled or stacked 99% of the time you getting pinned. I like the Scott Hall approach if he ain't winning he ain't hitting his finish


like everything else it's the booking tho......imagine the crowd reaction for when someone eventually does kick out of the OWA (in aew)

and this coming from someone who is wild tired of seeing nikkas kick out of finishes but if you book it right, it works. Crazy concept

 

[Art Barr]

It can make a dominant bf champion finish and the bf going over weak.
If that follow up is followed up by incoherent woat booking. Ie,....the black scorpion and sting's first rollup title win over flair.
It can be compelling if done accurately for a bf as well.
If booked with sound high quality continuity based content.
resulting in high quality workrate.
Which if hypothetically in general applied to the work.
via the book and outcome of the performers inring.

Imo the saving grace of the stone cold steve austin versus higher power vincent k mcmahon reveal.
Slash wwe retread of the awfulness.
that was the wcw's black scorpion. Followed up by an even higher selection of hit poker of doom rating for the reveal of the higher power.
Imo if scsa did not have a dominant finish called upon by the book in decisive bouts. Scsa could have had a hiccup in draaw.
Plus similar doubt raised politically.
Similar to what sting acquired.
from the content of low quality booking.
from the black scorpion during the reveal of the higher power.



So it depends on the booking and strength of finish .
Plus the character as well.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

thats the thing though in folkstyle/freestyle wrestling there are just some pins you can't get out of unless you are either very lucky or the guy putting it on doesn't have the technique right. You get cradled or stacked 99% of the time you getting pinned. I like the Scott Hall approach if he ain't winning he ain't hitting his finish


like everything else it's the booking tho......imagine the crowd reaction for when someone eventually does kick out of the OWA (in aew)

and this coming from someone who is wild tired of seeing nikkas kick out of finishes but if you book it right, it works. Crazy concept

I am waiting.
on the jay lethal counter lethsl injection.
from omega's usual kill death finish, the one winged angel.
as the first and only guy to counter and lead to a win over omega.



Art Barr


Art Barr

 

[Larry]

There was like 3 on raw



trash

 

[DANJ!]

Not enough roll-up pins outta nowhere? I don't know what shows you been watchin', cause lemme tell ya... Been a GANG of those!

 

[invincible1914]

The roll up finish only works because we are used to finishers. If all there were was roll ups, there would be no impact.

 

[Elim Garak]

Have absolutely no concept of wrestling brehs.

 

[Da_Eggman]

In theory it makes sense for one to go for there best move to put you over

but that’s in squash matches