I know everyone likes to say that Kobe can't pass and all but...

[NV-ME]

Kobe Bryant sick pass to Turiaf vs the Warriors 03-23-08 (HD) - YouTube

rony havin a fukkin fit afterwards > the pass

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

sick pass.. but it wasnt intended



accidental passerer

I love Kobe and I love that play to the max! always though it was underated.............however , I think that pass was accidental or more probably luck lol

Obvious it wasn't accidental. Yall play ball?

Kobe Bryant sick pass to Turiaf vs the Warriors 03-23-08 (HD) - YouTube

How Rony looked like he got shot after the dunk, laying on the floor.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Kobe has the ball in his hands way more often than the prototypical catch and shoot type guard though. Dude can pass and has passed but he said himself that he's a gunner and it's pretty apparant from watching him for 17 years that he isn't the biggest fan of passing the ball.

Yeah, catch and shoot types ain't really my idea of the "prototypical" shooting guard...they're moreso specialists at this point...the mj/kobe/vince/(young)ray allen mold is moreso what I consider the modern traditional off guard to be....great iso skill sets, mix of slashing and jump shooting...their roles on teams typically aren't that of other player types like combo guards or point forwards that bring the ball up the floor dribbling at the top of the key, doing pick and rolls or drive kicks every time down the court...when the ball is in their hand, it's in iso situations looking to attack in most cases...and in the case of the triangle offense, a system predicated on constant ball movement instead of singular dominating playmakers...it's not typically something that lends itself to big assists numbers...and yet, somehow...begrudgingly...still averaged 5apg for his career....for as much as it's brought up and made an issue, the argument seems overblown compared to the reality of the stats and his career role

 

[Da_Eggman]

Lebron does about 5 of those a games

and bird did passes like that about 500 times

 

[FTBS]

Yeah, catch and shoot types ain't really my idea of the "prototypical" shooting guard...they're moreso specialists at this point...the mj/kobe/vince/(young)ray allen mold is moreso what I consider the modern traditional off guard to be....great iso skill sets, mix of slashing and jump shooting...their roles on teams typically aren't that of other player types like combo guards or point forwards that bring the ball up the floor dribbling at the top of the key, doing pick and rolls or drive kicks every time down the court...when the ball is in their hand, it's in iso situations looking to attack in most cases...and in the case of the triangle offense, a system predicated on constant ball movement instead of singular dominating playmakers...it's not typically something that lends itself to big assists numbers...and yet, somehow...begrudgingly...still averaged 5apg for his career

Kobe/MJ did ball-handling over the course of their careers than Vince and Raymond. Kobe and MJ were basically combo guards in that they would often bring the ball up and initiate the offense. Are you really trying to deny that Kobe is a gunner? He admitted it himself. He get's 5 ast because he has the ball in his hands so much, has had some quality scoring teammates, and of course he's just a fukkin beast on the court, not because he's the most willing passer.

 

[Skip b]

Bail Kobe out on defense and he'll throw you a few Steve nash passes

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Kobe/MJ did ball-handling over the course of their careers than Vince and Raymond. Kobe and MJ were basically combo guards in that they would often bring the ball up and initiate the offense. Are you really trying to deny that Kobe is a gunner? He admitted it himself. He get's 5 ast because he has the ball in his hands so much, has had some quality scoring teammates, and of course he's just a fukkin beast on the court, not because he's the most willing passer.

Of course he's a gunner, he's one of the most prolific scorers in history....I'm saying that the "he doesn't pass the ball" criticism of a SG averaging 5ast for his career is a bit silly and overblown, the numbers flat out don't match the narrative...you don't average 5ast just by accident...not playing most of your entire career in a system that limits even the singular playmaking opportunities of an actual elite point guards like Payton

 

[FTBS]

Of course he's a gunner....I'm saying that the "he doesn't pass the ball" criticism of a SG averaging 5ast for his career is a bit silly and overblown, the numbers flat out don't match the narrative...you don't average 5ast just by accident...not playing most of your entire career in a system that limits even the singular playmaking opportunities of an actual elite point guards like Payton

That narrative is based moreso off of his issues with Shaq and his big-stage gunning episodes then his assist numbers. Per game numbers don't tell the whole story otherwise Bron is a more aggressive scorer than Kobe and Shaq was a great, active defender at his peak because of his blocks numbers. Factors other than you ability/willingness to do something can contribute to numbers.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

That narrative is based moreso off of his issues with Shaq and his big-stage gunning episodes then his assist numbers.

And my entire point in the thread was that the better argument against that narrative is to point out the actual REALITY of his entire career on court production...instead of pointing out a singular instance of him making a timely flashy pass...I know people will argue against reality regardless to hang on to specific anti-player rhetoric and talking points, but it's a better and more sound argument anyway

 

[G-Zeus]

Obvious it wasn't accidental. Yall play ball?


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he attacked the basket...too many defenders...got an escape route..

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

he attacked the basket...too many defenders...got an escape route..

Okay, the pass was on purpose. Quite a few great passes were an escape route, which is why some were GREAT passes.

 

[FTBS]

And my entire point in the thread was that the better argument against that narrative is to point out the actual REALITY of his entire career on court production...instead of pointing out a singular instance of him making a timely flashy pass...I know people will argue against reality regardless to hang on to specific anti-player rhetoric and talking points, but it's a better and more sound argument anyway

No response to this?

Per game numbers don't tell the whole story otherwise Bron is a more aggressive scorer than Kobe and Shaq was a great, active defender at his peak because of his blocks numbers. Factors other than you ability/willingness to do something can contribute to numbers.

We all know Kobe doesn't like to pass, Bron would rather pass or make the right play than score, and Shaq was lazy ass fukk on defense.

 

[G-Zeus]

Okay, the pass was on purpose. Quite a few great passes were an escape route, which is why some were GREAT passes.

you realize you your statement is a contradiction right?

the pass being on purpose i dont agree.. the pass being sick i do.

a great passer will find the open man in almost any situation..

Kobe got lucky Pau was following through cuz that looked like it was going to be a turn over.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

you realize you your statement is a contradiction right?

the pass being on purpose i dont agree.. the pass being sick i do.

a great passer will find the open man in almost any situation..

Kobe got lucky Pau was following through cuz that looked like it was going to be a turn over.

Got lucky? Who cares? The pass was on purpose, not accidental like you said. He didnt mean to give it to Pau?

 

[G-Zeus]

Got lucky? Who cares? The pass was on purpose, not accidental like you said.

so he meant to attack the basket against 4 defenders spin and pass ??????

you think attacking the basket while there is 4 defenders is a condone play?

you played ball in a school team?

that shyt will get you benched quicker then a motherfukka..

the right play would have been to wait for his teammates and run a play..

put gasol 2 meters behind.. wtf do you think happens with that pass?