I had an out of body experience while sleeping the other night.

[Gritsngravy]

@010101
now that I think about it, imagination is very really because the mind is one of the most important elements of a human, if everything was strictly physical world based there wouldn’t be no such thing as human, and we wouldn’t even be alive for that matter

 

[010101]

In a sense u agreeing with @Complexion about reality and imagination being connected

You say imagination is reflecting off of reality, sounds like there is a real connection between reality and mind

Actually using your logic wouldn’t mind/imagination be considered real to an extent, at least as real as humanity?

imagination exists

it's relationship to the world around us is where i think we differ

i say it's a process of learning what is real & getting your imagination in line with that

he says your imagination births everything

that is not a fact because we know plenty things only exist in folks heads & not in reality around us

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[010101]

@010101
now that I think about it, imagination is very really because the mind is one of the most important elements of a human, if everything was strictly physical world based there wouldn’t be no such thing as human, and we wouldn’t even be alive for that matter

i don't know about a nonphysical imaginary element of humanity

but i know for sure there would be no speculation about that nonphysical imaginary shyte without that approximately 3 pound ball of jelly in our skulls

the nonphysical imaginary shyte is theoretical the physical measured shyte is what we rely on every moment of every day

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[Complexion]

i say it's a process of learning what is real & getting your imagination in line with that

in that case there would never be any innovation, ever. All of the true creatives have immense imaginations within which whatever they create in the real world is first given vision.

Tesla used to build his inventions inside his head and then take them apart to see how they fit before prototyping with experiments. MJ had fully formed songs that he sang and beatboxed to sessions musicians so they could render his vision:



Einstein riding light beams, Kekule seeing a snake biting its tale to create the correct map of a Benzene ring which gave birth to modern science in many respects. There simply isn't a thing in this world that didn't have its conception in the imagination. Even you. Once you realize this thats when things get interesting because a few more steps later and a totally new view of the world (which is also ancient) becomes not only obvious but tenable as well as exceedingly practical.

Some people see things that exist and say "Why?". Others envision that which is possible and say "Why not?". Imagination is the difference and its the reason why you can give two people the same active ingredients in a pain killer but have one painted red and the other white. Guess what happens? The red one is more effective because of expectation and thats before we even get into the whole field of placebo...

 

[Gritsngravy]

imagination exists

it's relationship to the world around us is where i think we differ

i say it's a process of learning what is real & getting your imagination in line with that

he says your imagination births everything

that is not a fact because we know plenty things only exist in folks heads & not in reality around us

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If I imagined that trees grew eyes and can speak English it’s obviously of reality but a lot of life we live now in some shape or form was imagined, we can go to space if we wanted to because somebody imagined that, so y’all got to come to a compromise cause while the extreme may not necessarily correct the truth is somewhere in the middle

 

[Gritsngravy]

i don't know about a nonphysical imaginary element of humanity

but i know for sure there would be no speculation about that nonphysical imaginary shyte without that approximately 3 pound ball of jelly in our skulls

the nonphysical imaginary shyte is theoretical the physical measured shyte is what we rely on every moment of every day

*

Without imagination people wouldn’t had learned how to cook food and in essence we wouldn’t exist, in my opinion that’s makes the mind just as real as anything, we just haven’t figured out how to measure that, but best believe it’s neuroscientists using they imagination to try and measure that type of shyt at this very moment

 

[010101]

in that case there would never be any innovation, ever. All of the true creatives have immense imaginations within which whatever they create in the real world is first given vision.

Tesla used to build his inventions inside his head and then take them apart to see how they fit before prototyping with experiments. MJ had fully formed songs that he sang and beatboxed to sessions musicians so they could render his vision:



Einstein riding light beams, Kekule seeing a snake biting its tale to create the correct map of a Benzene ring which gave birth to modern science in many respects. There simply isn't a thing in this world that didn't have its conception in the imagination. Even you. Once you realize this thats when things get interesting because a few more steps later and a totally new view of the world (which is also ancient) becomes not only obvious but tenable as well as exceedingly practical.

Some people see things that exist and say "Why?". Others envision that which is possible and say "Why not?". Imagination is the difference and its the reason why you can give two people the same active ingredients in a pain killer but have one painted red and the other white. Guess what happens? The red one is more effective because of expectation and thats before we even get into the whole field of placebo...

imagination is a great tool

but any individual that has brought anything into reality has had to honor & respect the fact shyte doesn't just go how you think it does

shyte goes the way it goes & you have to wrap your imagination around that

you can discover many possibilities dreaming but you have to understand all dreams are not valid

i am simply advising against the type of thinking that has folks dying from terminal illnesses because someone got in their ear about faith healing & the power of positive thinking

the type of thinking that has folks going crazy because they were fed a bunch of imaginary superstitious spiritual quack & now their own imagination is whooping them silly

ha

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[Complexion]

Nobody is talking about that but it seems thats what you're hearing.



Seeing how your imagination is having its own effect on reality yet? That, ironically, is exactly what I've been saying so it is what it is...

 

[010101]

If I imagined that trees grew eyes and can speak English it’s obviously of reality but a lot of life we live now in some shape or form was imagined, we can go to space if we wanted to because somebody imagined that, so y’all got to come to a compromise cause while the extreme may not necessarily correct the truth is somewhere in the middle

they imagined yes

more importantly they tested & proved their claims to find exactly what was possible

the work in the real world is 99.9% of the accomplishment

Without imagination people wouldn’t had learned how to cook food and in essence we wouldn’t exist, in my opinion that’s makes the mind just as real as anything, we just haven’t figured out how to measure that, but best believe it’s neuroscientists using they imagination to try and measure that type of shyt at this very moment

neuroscientist deal with what¿

the nonphysical imaginary element of humanity¿

the physical reality that makes all that possible doesn't rely on anyone's imagination

life was in progress before thought..........

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[010101]

Nobody is talking about that but it seems thats what you're hearing.



Seeing how your imagination is having its own effect on reality yet? That, ironically, is exactly what I've been saying so it is what it is...

"even when our senses are working normally we can still make mistakes in interpreting their signals"

that's why the scientific method is perpetual

you don't run behind what you imagine without testing & proving it

what you imagine does not shape reality(beyond your own mind)

you tailor your imagination to more & more clearly reflect reality revealing what is possible in the world around you

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[JQ Legend]

hypnotism has it's limits

it can make you think something is other than what it is in reality

but it does not change reality

it just makes your delusion more intense

placing too much importance on what you imagine is a problem

what you imagine has to line up with what is going on in reality or else you are going to fukk yourself over

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How do you know for a fact what is “reality”?

What you call “reality” could very well be the imagination

There’s hints all around us that it prolly is

Say a human, a dog, a snake, a tiger, and an alligator all looked at the same exact object. They’re going to see 5 different things. Different colors and possibly even to some extent different shapes and sizes.

Which one is correct?

It’s a good chance physical “reality” is a dream that appears real

And no scientist has ever proven the brain creates consciousness, that’s an assumption people make when they don’t know what else to believe. Same as the assumption that the physical is more “real” than non physical.

 

[Gritsngravy]

they imagined yes

more importantly they tested & proved their claims to find exactly what was possible

the work in the real world is 99.9% of the accomplishment

neuroscientist deal with what¿

the nonphysical imaginary element of humanity¿

the physical reality that makes all that possible doesn't rely on anyone's imagination

life was in progress before thought..........

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there is no human progress without imagination, again we wouldn’t even be alive, so what is life really without you, if we ain’t living then ain’t no life

 

[010101]

How do you know for a fact what is “reality”?

What you call “reality” could very well be the imagination

There’s hints all around us that it prolly is

Say a human, a dog, a snake, a tiger, and an alligator all looked at the same exact object. They’re going to see 5 different things. Different colors and possibly even to some extent different shapes and sizes.

Which one is correct?

It’s a good chance physical “reality” is a dream that appears real

And no scientist has ever proven the brain creates consciousness, that’s an assumption people make when they don’t know what else to believe. Same as the assumption that the physical is more “real” than non physical.

say a human a dog a snake a tiger an alligator all are thrown into a fire they all burn the same

looking at what is constant

those are the things that our life depends on

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[010101]

there is no human progress without imagination, again we wouldn’t even be alive, so what is life really without you, if we ain’t living then ain’t no life

imagination unchecked against reality goes the quickest route into the dirt*

 

[Complexion]

And no scientist has ever proven the brain creates consciousness, that’s an assumption people make when they don’t know what else to believe. Same as the assumption that the physical is more “real” than non physical.

They won't either because it doesn't. The body conducts consciousness (Which is who/what we truly are in and outside this realm) and then modulates it through layers upon layers of subconscious conditioning and various perceptual filters/expectations before stitching it together to create the narrative presented to that Adulterated aspect that sits inside the Mind Made Prison inside your head and continually mistakes labels for experience. Why do babies bounce whilst old people are hunched over and shuffling? A flexible mind and body are one and the same thing as it equals clear conduction.

A lot of people believe the story because its designed that way but the mystic marches to the beat of another drum as the only way one finds enlightenment is by being willing to step inside the darkness where one finds... Imagination. The true source of everything and the gift each child brings with as they step into this realm as they gladly share it at every opportunity they get. Then its trained out of them by the System.

To keep it funky I really have my doubts about free will as well because it all seems to be scripted and much closer to Maggie twisting the wheel in the Simpsons whilst Marge is driving. Just like when someone goes to see a "psychic" they edit the misses and track the hits (just like Maggie) and convince themselves they are actually in charge when its obvious that is an illusion because if they truly were they could stop their mind thinking on command and yet can't.

Consider that.

If the most basic thing which is you (ie whats inside your head) isn't under your control then why would you even believe the rest that follows is based on your whims? In reality we're living scripted existences and these too can be mapped and proven, scientifically, as I worked on an algorithm to create the most optimal marriage partnerships based on resonance back when and the implications were so earth shattering and that fell by the side to work on the Game of Souls hypothesis instead.