I feel so bad for him but no way i could hide under the bed while my wife is getting r*ped

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Crazy ass thread…

Personally, I wouldn’t have been able to do it.

But I can’t judge this man because it’s easy to say what we would have done (or what he should have done) when we live in a stable first world country where we can post on The Coli and thirst over PAWGS all day.

It’s easy to say “he should’ve been strapped up” or “they should’ve left the country” but if those things were so easy to do, more Haitians, I’m sure, would do them.

Sad story, I hope Haiti gets through this and prospers as a country one day. Most of the Haitians I’ve met are very intelligent and hard working, and usually fun to be around.

I get what you're saying breh. It's why I said none of us truly know how we would have reacted if faced with a similar situation. Even a life time of training cannot prepare you for this type of reality. Nobody knows what they would have done in the moment and I pray to God we never have to find out.

It doesn't mean that there isn't a "should" though. There are certain things that are expected from a man - especially when your wife and kids are involved. Courage and cowardice have real meanings as moral terms and have everything to do with what one ought to do in a given situation. Stating this has nothing to do with thinking you're Superman or lacking empathy for the tough decision that someone else might have to make.
 

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I would never allow my wife to be raped while I hid.

What kind of men are you on this fukkin site man.

No seriously! What kind of question is this?

Why aren't you guys getting it?

Are Black men this fukkin retarded in 2022?

Jesus Christ.

Moral values are at the center of this breh. Some people are coming at it from a pragmatic/utilitarian perspective (who would provide for the wife if her husband dies? That sort of thing). You, me and others are coming at it from a more traditional/virtue based view of morality. They are not getting what we're saying because they come from a completely different paradigm. I also think our religious perspective plays a role here.
 

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I get what you're saying breh. It's why I said none of us truly know how we would have reacted if faced with a similar situation. Even a life time of training cannot prepare you for this type of reality. Nobody knows what they would have done in the moment and I pray to God we never have to find out.

It doesn't mean that there isn't a "should" though. There are certain things that are expected from a man - especially when your wife and kids are involved. Courage and cowardice have real meanings as moral terms and have everything to do with what one ought to do in a given situation. Stating this has nothing to do with thinking you're Superman or lacking empathy for the tough decision that someone else might have to make.
You’re right, but my point is the “courageous” thing for us as Americans may be something totally different for them, as Haitians.

It’s easy for me to say “I’d die defending my family.” as an American citizen.

I would for sure, but I also have the advantage of living in a country where (if I were married and had kids) if I die, I know my wife can get work. I know that I have relatives who would look after my family after I die.

These are advantages I have that the average Haitian likely does not.

He dies and then what happens to his family? They more than likely end up worse off than if he stayed alive.

The “brave” thing to do, in his situation, may have been to swallow his pride if it means he’s able to live another day to continue to provide for his family.
 

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You’re right, but my point is the “courageous” thing for us as Americans may be something totally different for them, as Haitians.

It’s easy for me to say “I’d die defending my family.” as an American citizen.

I would for sure, but I also have the advantage of living in a country where (if I were married and had kids) if I die, I know my wife can get work. I know that I have relatives who would look after my family after I die.

These are advantages I have that the average Haitian likely does not.

He dies and then what happens to his family? They more than likely end up worse off than if he stayed alive.

The “brave” thing to do, in his situation, may have been to swallow his pride if it means he’s able to live another day to continue to provide for his family.

Even from a purely pragmatic perspective: What if they had murdered his wife even after he hid under the bed? Did his hiding guarantee her survival? You can't know this beforehand. You're putting her life completely at the mercy of evil men. That's the only thing you know for certain in that moment. You have to assume that they are going to do the worst thing possible.

I see what you're saying breh, but we'll have to disagree on this. We have fundamentally different paradigms.
 

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Even from a purely pragmatic perspective: What if they had murdered his wife even after he hid under the bed? Did his hiding guarantee her survival? You can't know this beforehand. You're putting her life completely at the mercy of evil men. That's the only thing you know for certain in that moment. You have to assume that they are going to do the worst thing possible.

I see what you're saying breh, but we'll have to disagree on this. We have fundamentally different paradigms.
The fact that they knew that she was going to get raped and knew that he would be killed if they fought back leads me to believe that, on some level, they knew how this particular gang operates.

Perhaps she was all they wanted and they knew it (I hated having to type that shyt :scust:)

Irregardless, no matter how you slice it, her life was put at the mercy of evil men that night no matter what they did.

The true cowards are the “gang” that did it. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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The title is extremely misleading. The wife hid her husband under the bed to protect him, because she knew they would murder him if they found him. Why are you trying to make the husband seem cowardly?
Unless the title was changed it is exactly what happened.
 
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