I don't think we've seen 5% of what Julius Randle is capable of
- Thread starter Swagnificent
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In no particular order:
Embiid
Wiggins
Jabari
Jokic
Gordon
LaVine
Capela
Warren
Nurkic
Bogdanovic
Smart (yes, simply because he's the best, most impactful defensive guard in the league)
Saric
I'm taking all those players before I even think about taking Randle. And how the hell are you gonna say he was "close" like he didn't just say Randle was going to become a "superstar" in that very post?
Bruh you on worse bath salts than Swag if you seriously think anybody on that list outside of Jokic and Embiid is clearly better than Randle. You should know that Swag regurgitates hot takes at such an exponential rate that a few of the players he sets his goofy gaze on will inevitably end up being actually good through sheer statistical probability alone
Saying you'd take a guy like Lavine obviously over Randle is like salty fools saying they'd obviously take Melo at this point of his career over "top 30" Draymond; it's just nonsense to try and win some stupid argument. We know you don't really believe that shyt, don't fall into Swag's game of trolling when 1 out of his 1000 predictions turns out to be somewhat sorta correct
Looks like @Inertia Creeps is creeping into the same flat, warped World that @Swagnificent dwells in.
Saying you'd take a guy like Lavine obviously over Randle is like salty fools saying they'd obviously take Melo at this point of his career over "top 30" Draymond; it's just nonsense to try and win some stupid argument. We know you don't really believe that shyt, don't fall into Swag's game of trolling when 1 out of his 1000 predictions turns out to be somewhat sorta correct
How does this make one bit of sense, when Melo is in the twilight of his career, and Draymond is in his prime? This thread is comparing players from the same draft class, not comparing players where the age-gap is the better part of a decade. Melo was averaging close to 30 ppg, as one of the better offensive anchors in the league when he was Draymond's age - anyone would be of sound mind if they preferred him over Draymond in that context. LaVine is a definitively better player - he's a legit scoring option, whereas Randle is not, he's a garbage man, who doesn't do anything well on either end of the floor except hustle.
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Looks like @Inertia Creeps is creeping into the same flat, warped World that @Swagnificent dwells in.
How does this make one bit of sense, when Melo is in the twilight of his career, and Draymond is in his prime? This thread is comparing players from the same draft class, not comparing players where the age-gap is bordering on a decade. LaVine is a definitively better player - he's a legit scoring option, whereas Randle is not, he's a garbage man, who doesn't do anything well on either end of the floor except hustle.
Bruh Lavine shot less than 40% from the field and has been a complete turnstile on defense since highschool. Randle shot almost 20% better from the floor with the same ppg average in less minutes of play, averages over 2x the rebounds, and does everything better defensively against more positions than Lavine will ever dream of. The fact that you taking this so seriously and negging me over it shows that you're worse than Swag. You online having a violent aneurysm about basketball players you ain't even watched 5 games of with anonymous people you'll never meet. Get some help dude, you clearly need it very badly...
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Well...he was one of the best finishers in the post so that's why. Dude is an efficient scorer. He was a plus player offensively and defensively. Just admit you were wrong and keep it moving. And no 20/10 is not an easy feat.
How the hell are you gonna shyt on Jokic for "empty stats", when Randle is the epitome of an empty stat-player? Jokic co-runs an offense and is a legit scoring option for his team, while Randle is a garbage man who capitalizes on loose balls/rebounds, fast-break opportunities, and stumbles and fumbles his way to the odd basket.
Just behind Embiid? Just? Why the hell are you speaking as if he's even comparable to Embiid?
He's not close to even being in the argument for 2nd best player from his draft. What #s do you envisage he'll average this year? Unless he's had a skillset-transplant, he's going to the same garbage man work he did while on the Lakers, not to mention, AD (you know that player you said ain't that good?) will get the majority of frontcourt touches, and Randle will have to split minutes with Mirotic since he gives them more versatility due to his shooting ability. Not to mention, AD/Okafor will likely see time on the court together as well.
He's not going to get the minutes to put up "big numbers", even if he was capable of doing so (which he's not).
I'm a dumbass for not believing Randle is a superstar?
WE ALL SEEN U ACTIN LIKE HE A TALENTLESS SCRUB WHO WONT AMOUNT TO ANYTHING, DONT BACKTRACK NOW.
NOW U SAYIN HE WONT PUT UP NUMBERS IN NO....THIS WILL BE A DOPE THREAD TO BUMP IN DECEMBER.
If you were creeping into that World with your previous post, you've taken up residence with this take.
You don't compare FG%s of perimeter players (especially those who take a generous amount of 3-pters) with big men who score almost entirely in the paint - I don't know why this even needs to be explained. Not to mention LaVine is actually game-planned for, and is given touches as a scoring option (because unlike Randle he can actually shoot the ball and create for himself all over the floor), therefore, he's going to face more defensive pressure as opposed to someone like Randle who scores primarily from put-back opportunities, loose balls/rebounds, fast-break spots, and defensive breakdowns where he gets uncontested looks at the rim. There's a reason why Randle only shot 32 eFG% on a limited amount of jumpshots last season (a large portion, uncontested, due to teams not treating him as a scoring threat), whereas LaVine shot 41 eFG% on his jumpshots.
Second of all, how the hell are you going to leave out that LaVine only played 24 games last season after coming back from a knee reconstruction, and due to the small sample size and need of getting reacclimated to the league, wasn't going to perform to the level he's shown in the past?
Lavine '16/'17 season:
19 ppg on 46 FG% (54 eFG% - great efficiency for a perimeter player of his caliber), 38.7 three-point% on 6.6 attempts, 50.8 eFG% on jumpshots.
Did you think you were onto a winner with pointing out a big man averages more rebounds than a guard?
Randle is a temperamental defender, and while yes, he may be better than LaVine on that end of the floor, he's not better to a degree which makes up for his lack of skillset and impact on the offensive end (like Draymond and Gobert). There are a number of better defenders than LaVine in the league, it doesn't necessarily make them better players.
I negged you because of this contrarian act you've been doing over the last 8-9 months, where you're not even attempting to make sense, just going against the grain for the sake of. If you actually attempted to make sense (instead of trolling) in your initial response I would've just addressed your post and KIM, but for some reason, you were intent on wasting my time by trying to strike a nerve with this "you're on worse bath salts than Swag" nonsense and then proceeded to throw shyt at the wall in hopes that something would stick.
Says the muh'fukka that didn't break down either of their respective games, and ran to the box score to quote stats without any regards to context - a generic ploy from folks who don't watch any games.
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He was 55 percentile in the post last season - that does NOT classify him as one of the best finishers in the post, it classifies him as being middle-of-the-pack. And this is all without mentioning that he doesn't have any counter moves, or footwork, or touch; he just uses his power/strength and throws shyt at the rim in hopes it'll go in.
Even more hilarious is that you're a Kobe stan - Randle's shytty ass post possessions should be immoral to someone like you, and they probably would be if he wasn't drafted by the Lakers. If he was on the Nuggets you wouldn't have a positive thing to say about his game.
He's a garbage-man scorer. He's not an efficient scorer in the sense where he's a scoring option, because he's not, he just hustles for his points on defensive breakdowns. In fact, on touches through passes in the halfcourt (non-fast break opportunities), he was in the bottom third for all big men in scoring production - that should tell you all you need to know about how he scores his points.
Muh'fukkas really believe Randle is better than this dude -
How would it benefit the Pelicans to give him enough touches to average 20+ ppg? He doesn't have a jumpshot, he clumsily bulldozes his way to the rim or in the post against mismatches to score the odd bucket, and the large majority of his points come from defensive breakdowns and putback opportunities. Why would the Pelicans want someone like that to be one of their leading scorers when they're trying to win games, when they have 4-5 other players who're more capable scorers/shooters?
As I stated in my previous post, he's going to split minutes with Mirotic (and Okafor will potentially take minutes away from him), so where are all these minutes gonna come from where he can put up all these #s, even if he was capable of doing so?
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@Inertia Creeps
Randle - 16 ppg on 56 FG% in 26.7 minutes
Going by your logic, Randle is better than all these players -
A.Gordon - 17 ppg on 43 FG% in 32 minutes
Love - 17 ppg on 46 FG% in 28 minutes
G.Harris - 17 ppg on 48 FG% in 34 minutes
M.Gasol - 17 ppg on 42 FG% in 33 minutes
Lowry - 16 ppg on 42 FG% in 32 minutes
Kuzma - 16 ppg on 45 FG% in 31 minutes
Ingram - 16 ppg on 47 FG% in 31 minutes
Simmons - 16 ppg on 54 FG% in 33 minutes
Drummond - 15 ppg on 53 FG% in 33 minutes
Otto - 14.7 ppg on 50 FG% in 31 minutes
fukk the context of how he scores his points and his role, or how others score their points and their role, or what they've done in the past and the offensive systems they play in, or any other shooting percentage metric that accounts for jumpshots/3-pt shots - let's just take a look at the amount he averages and his FG%.
bu-bu-but 56 FG%.
Randle - 16 ppg on 56 FG% in 26.7 minutes
Going by your logic, Randle is better than all these players -
A.Gordon - 17 ppg on 43 FG% in 32 minutes
Love - 17 ppg on 46 FG% in 28 minutes
G.Harris - 17 ppg on 48 FG% in 34 minutes
M.Gasol - 17 ppg on 42 FG% in 33 minutes
Lowry - 16 ppg on 42 FG% in 32 minutes
Kuzma - 16 ppg on 45 FG% in 31 minutes
Ingram - 16 ppg on 47 FG% in 31 minutes
Simmons - 16 ppg on 54 FG% in 33 minutes
Drummond - 15 ppg on 53 FG% in 33 minutes
Otto - 14.7 ppg on 50 FG% in 31 minutes
fukk the context of how he scores his points and his role, or how others score their points and their role, or what they've done in the past and the offensive systems they play in, or any other shooting percentage metric that accounts for jumpshots/3-pt shots - let's just take a look at the amount he averages and his FG%.
bu-bu-but 56 FG%.
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How would it benefit the Pelicans to give him enough touches to average 20+ ppg? He doesn't have a jumpshot, he clumsily bulldozes his way to the rim or in the post against mismatches to score the odd bucket, and the large majority of his points come from defensive breakdowns and putback opportunities. Why would the Pelicans want someone like that to be one of their leading scorers when they're trying to win games, when they have 4-5 other players who're more capable scorers/shooters?
As I stated in my previous post, he's going to split minutes with Mirotic (and Okafor will potentially take minutes away from him), so where are all these minutes gonna come from where he can put up all these #s, even if he was capable of doing so?
RANDLE IS ELITE AT GETTIN TO THE RIM AND HE WAS ONE OF THE BEST FINISHERS IN THE LEAGUE LAST YEAR
LIKE I SAID, THIS’LL BE A GOOD THREAD TO BUMP IN A COUPLE MONTHS
This is a typical offensive outing for Randle: 1-2 buckets on post-ups that he throws at the rim with little-to-no touch, and the rest of his points come from rolling to the rim, putbacks, and running the break - capitalizing on defensive breakdowns. And yet muh'fukkas are in here talking about how he's the second-best player in the draft.
Lord have mercy.
You do when those perimeter players chuck up 15 shots a game and can't even make 40% of them.
Dude is one of the most inefficient players in the league, regardless of what kind of shot selection he takes or is expected to take as a wing/guard. And as you admitted immediately when I called you out on it and you moved the goalposts over to whatever mental institute your locked away in, is also exponentially inferior in every aspect of defense to Randle as well.
You're
for a guy on a team you aren't a fan of and have never watched that's getting paid $20 million to shoot 38% from the field on 15 shots a game while playing non-existent defense. Every GM in this league would take Randle's current and future potential production (he's the same age as Lavine and isn't coming off a potentially career altering injury) at $9 million over Lavine's at $20 million, without even a second thought about it. Don't ever @ me again with your schizophrenic tantrums, but I assume you'll just block me and start stalking every one of my posts like you do to everyone who calls you out on your bullshyt 