I didn't know timbaland was this weird about Aaliyah.

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We've known from the beginning that R Kelly wasn't the only adult taking advantage of her.

Timbaland, Missy and a few other mofos in the industry were preying on her at a young age.
 
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Exactly.

Like Aaliyah was the only lightskin chick in the entire industry? Like they couldn't find a grown woman that looked better?
That's why I said its goofy... cuz it leads me to believe that part of the attraction they had to her WAS her young age and WAS the fact that she had some innocence/naiveté towards the situation.


Whereas an older woman might be more difficult. Being attracted to a 16yr old doesn't make you a pedophile... technically. But it tells me that you like something about younger woman.

Like a college guy who dates highschool sophmores

The thing is, an innocent, naive female is actually more difficult to crack than a more mature, experienced chick...if you are rich and famous that is. I naive chick doesn't care who you are and won't be as aggressive herself. You actually have to overcome her innocence. Whereas if you are rich and famous, chicks in their 20s and 30s are gonna be bussing it open left and right. And I am not sure if he's looking are her as innocent, as this was after the R. Kelly thing.

A pedophile is a person that is attracted to pre-pubescent girls that have yet to develop secondary sex characteristics. Most 16 year olds have been through puberty and are showing something.

The thing about male attraction is that it's very simple and basic. We aren't thinking about age or easiness, we just like what we see. Now after the fact those things can play a part. Even with that, I doubt she was the only attractive teenager he was ever around. If it was really like that he could have easily had one on the low or a legal one that was a year or two older and just as gullible. You see with Kellz he went from her to hanging at McDonalds and the mall to pick up some more. He was clearly targeting. If that was a thing with Timbo it would've come out in the #MeToo era or apparently he would've just came out and said it :mjlol:.

Guys, for the most part, take what we can get. You see the average older dude messing with younger chicks and more often than not he can't get chicks his own age. That's not to say that there aren't predators that target younger women. But merely being attracted to titties and ass that happen to be on a teenage body doesn't make you that. I think we often conflate those two things.


For all ya'll who dont find this weird..

Imagine a 16yr girl starts working at your place of employment.
Everything about her says '16'.
She doesn't have an ass, doesn't have big breast, has a young face. Truly 16.

You dont think it would be weird if all these 23-27 year olds start hitting on her? :what:


This is how I know some of ya'll are closet weirdos. Cuz when you apply this situation to real life today, it still dont make any sense

I know chicks in their 20, 30s, shyt 40 where this applies. Does this say something about that guys that go after them? And I know 16, shyt 13 year olds that are built like grown ass women. Does that make it okay for a grown ass man to go after them? This is a very complex conversation. It goes beyond "she's this age and you are that age how can you be attracted to her". Grown men find teenage girls attractive. Always have and always will. The only reason it's not a common public thing anymore is because of the laws and the social stigma...both of which are recent developments. Dudes in their 20s (and beyond) wifing teenagers is the norm throughout history. None of us have to go very far in our family tree to find and uncle, cousin, father, grandfather that got with auntie, cousin, mom, grandma when she was 16. The thing about the scenario that you described is that it would only be considered a problem in the last 20-30 years.

This is not an endorsement. Grown men have no business messing with young girls. I just think this conversation often lack honesty, reality, and accurate definitions. Liking some 16 year old titties doesn't make you monster. Knowing she's 16 and proceeding doesn't either. But it does make you stupid and/or desperate. Now if you are only going after teenagers and doing so because they are easier to manipulate and control then yeah that makes you a monster. Already discussed the pedophile thing above.
 

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The thing is, an innocent, naive female is actually more difficult to crack than a more mature, experienced chick...if you are rich and famous that is. I naive chick doesn't care who you are and won't be as aggressive herself. You actually have to overcome her innocence. Whereas if you are rich and famous, chicks in their 20s and 30s are gonna be bussing it open left and right. And I am not sure if he's looking are her as innocent, as this was after the R. Kelly thing.

A pedophile is a person that is attracted to pre-pubescent girls that have yet to develop secondary sex characteristics. Most 16 year olds have been through puberty and are showing something.

The thing about male attraction is that it's very simple and basic. We aren't thinking about age or easiness, we just like what we see. Now after the fact those things can play a part. Even with that, I doubt she was the only attractive teenager he was ever around. If it was really like that he could have easily had one on the low or a legal one that was a year or two older and just as gullible. You see with Kellz he went from her to hanging at McDonalds and the mall to pick up some more. He was clearly targeting. If that was a thing with Timbo it would've come out in the #MeToo era or apparently he would've just came out and said it :mjlol:.

Guys, for the most part, take what we can get. You see the average older dude messing with younger chicks and more often than not he can't get chicks his own age. That's not to say that there aren't predators that target younger women. But merely being attracted to titties and ass that happen to be on a teenage body doesn't make you that. I think we often conflate those two things.




I know chicks in their 20, 30s, shyt 40 where this applies. Does this say something about that guys that go after them? And I know 16, shyt 13 year olds that are built like grown ass women. Does that make it okay for a grown ass man to go after them? This is a very complex conversation. It goes beyond "she's this age and you are that age how can you be attracted to her". Grown men find teenage girls attractive. Always have and always will. The only reason it's not a common public thing anymore is because of the laws and the social stigma...both of which are recent developments. Dudes in their 20s (and beyond) wifing teenagers is the norm throughout history. None of us have to go very far in our family tree to find and uncle, cousin, father, grandfather that got with auntie, cousin, mom, grandma when she was 16. The thing about the scenario that you described is that it would only be considered a problem in the last 20-30 years.

This is not an endorsement. Grown men have no business messing with young girls. I just think this conversation often lack honesty, reality, and accurate definitions. Liking some 16 year old titties doesn't make you monster. Knowing she's 16 and proceeding doesn't either. But it does make you stupid and/or desperate. Now if you are only going after teenagers and doing so because they are easier to manipulate and control then yeah that makes you a monster. Already discussed the pedophile thing above.

No im not saying it makes it ok if they are more physically developed. Im saying that the level of physical development is irrelevant for those men. As in you cannot say the common trope, "oh she is 16 in a 26 year olds body" that doesnt apply here.

You dont have to keep redefining pedophile, i never once called timberland a pedo, i know what the term means. Im saying that it doesnt have to be pedophilia for me to see it as strange.

My entire point is simply that is odd to me to see a 20 something go after a 16yr old. Regarldess of her bodytype, regardless of her face type, regardless of anything else. If you are a grown men dating a 16yr old, in my head that will always be strange.

You can find a 16yr old attractive. You can alot of things attractive. But pursuing and finding attractive are 2 different things entirely
 

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No im not saying it makes it ok if they are more physically developed. Im saying that the level of physical development is irrelevant for those men. As in you cannot say the common trope, "oh she is 16 in a 26 year olds body" that doesnt apply here.

You dont have to keep redefining pedophile, i never once called timberland a pedo, i know what the term means. Im saying that it doesnt have to be pedophilia for me to see it as strange.

My entire point is simply that is odd to me to see a 20 something go after a 16yr old. Regarldess of her bodytype, regardless of her face type, regardless of anything else. If you are a grown men dating a 16yr old, in my head that will always be strange.

You can find a 16yr old attractive. You can alot of things attractive. But pursuing and finding attractive are 2 different things entirely

This right here. I appreciate your perspective and the thoughtful dialogue. You are entitled to your opinion and I don't necessarily disagree. But I would like to challenge you on one point. How much more mature is a 20 year male really? The average 20 year old guys is either in college or at the crib with mom. He's not really doing anything that he wasn't doing when he was 16. Is he really a grown man? Beyond that what is the cutoff? Is 18 okay? Is 24 and 20 okay? How do you go about making these determinations?
 

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I think its creepy
The same way I thought my 24 year old grandad was creepy for marrying my grandma when she was 16

So do you view him a creep in general or do you just view that situation as creepy? Did it change the way you looked at him when you found that out?
 

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This right here. I appreciate your perspective and the thoughtful dialogue. You are entitled to your opinion and I don't necessarily disagree. But I would like to challenge you on one one point. How much more mature is a 20 year male really? The average 20 year old guys is either in college or at the crib with mom. He's not really doing anything that he wasn't doing when he was 16. Is he really a grown man. Beyond that what is the cutoff. Is 18 okay? Is 24 and 20 okay? How do you go about making these determinations?

I appreciate the question and i'll answer as honestly as I can.

I would use both a hard cutoff and a case-by-case determination.

For instance.. 23 year old me would never get with a 16 year old even if it wasn't illegal. My hard cutoff at that point in my life would be 18, not because of legal stipulations, but moreso because that's college age. I think this has a lot to do with the fact that I personally feel that I matured greatly going from 17 to 18, so naturally I would project that unto whoever I dated being like "You cant that mature at 17... you haven't even gone to college yet and left your parents."

Is it possible for a 17yr old to be more mature than an 18 year old? Absolutely, but I wouldn't even know because I wouldn't entertain it, because it would be hard cutoff. Everyone has some hard cutoff, mine would be 18 (at Timberlands age)

Past that, I would use a case by case determination. I could be dating a 29 year old and be like "this girl is a child mentally", and I would bounce.

As far as maturity specifics, I have 3 main ones.
- Are you self sufficient on some level? (as in daddy is not paying for your groceries and car note, etc)
- Are your beliefs and reasoning your own? (as in you dont just do things because your parents or friends tell you to)
- Do you know yourself (a little harder to explain, but its one of those ones that you know when talking to a chick. Like damn this girl don't even know herself)

I have broken up with a girl because she couldn't think for herself without consulting her friends on every single decision she made. To me that's immaturity, and it made her seem very childlike to me despite the fact that she was older than me.

I hope this answers your question
 

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I appreciate the question and i'll answer as honestly as I can.

I would use both a hard cutoff and a case-by-case determination.

For instance.. 23 year old me would never get with a 16 year old even if it wasn't illegal. My hard cutoff at that point in my life would be 18, not because of legal stipulations, but moreso because that's college age. I think this has a lot to do with the fact that I personally feel that I matured greatly going from 17 to 18, so naturally I would project that unto whoever I dated being like "You cant that mature at 17... you haven't even gone to college yet and left your parents."

Is it possible for a 17yr old to be more mature than an 18 year old? Absolutely, but I wouldn't even know because I wouldn't entertain it, because it would be hard cutoff. Everyone has some hard cutoff, mine would be 18 (at Timberlands age)

Past that, I would use a case by case determination. I could be dating a 29 year old and be like "this girl is a child mentally", and I would bounce.

As far as maturity specifics, I have 3 main ones.
- Are you self sufficient on some level? (as in daddy is not paying for your groceries and car note, etc)
- Are your beliefs and reasoning your own? (as in you dont just do things because your parents or friends tell you to)
- Do you know yourself (a little harder to explain, but its one of those ones that you know when talking to a chick. Like damn this girl don't even know herself)

I have broken up with a girl because she couldn't think for herself without consulting her friends on every single decision she made. To me that's immaturity, and it made her seem very childlike to me despite the fact that she was older than me.

I hope this answers your question

As I thought, you are obviously more thoughtful than most dudes. That's why I wanted more insight. I can appreciate and respect your thought process. You and I both know that most guys thought process is:

:damn: that ass. Wife :noah: :russ:
 

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I heard things didn’t go far with jay she eventually curved him but who knows :hubie:
Because that nikka ugly and back then wasn’t as big an artist as she was (he would very soon take off though but that may or may not have happened by a lot of things in history breaking the right way for J)

That Nga was in LOVE love :russ:
 

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For all ya'll who dont find this weird..

Imagine a 16yr girl starts working at your place of employment.
Everything about her says '16'.
She doesn't have an ass, doesn't have big breast, has a young face. Truly 16.

You dont think it would be weird if all these 23-27 year olds start hitting on her? :what:


This is how I know some of ya'll are closet weirdos. Cuz when you apply this situation to real life today, it still dont make any sense
You think 16 year olds aren't developed
Most 16 year olds have breasts and hips etc
Guys have facial hair and deep voices
They aren't built like children anymore
 

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You think 16 year olds aren't developed
Most 16 year olds have breasts and hips etc
Guys have facial hair and deep voices
They aren't built like children anymore

Some are some arent. My point in that statement was that aliyah wasnt someone who you looked at and immediately assumed she was much older than she was.

My point was that she looked every bit her age. She had no hips and a small chest
 

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Threads like these ALWAYS end up with folks saying shyt they should have kept to themselves. I have a 20 yo daughter, but even before that, I had a gf in high school that was dating a 19 yo, and I was crazy about her, so I just always had the stance that the shyt is creepy.
 

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older men have been marrying teenaged women since the dawn of humanity. All this fake outrage. Men can now become women which is normal, but a man in his early 20's is attracted to a teenaged girl is sick?

nah they be tryna make a big deal if u 30+ dating a 18 to 24 year old.:skip: like when people started shaming that, especially other men. i think it mostly be from older women/hoes who been worn out that get jealous they not gettin attention.

a man should be able to get a woman in her prime condition with the least wear n tear on her. they want to have access to men in their prime when they get established with money but men are not supposed to seek the same. u bullshyttin. :gucci:
 

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16 is the age of consent in my state so whatever.
 
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