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thats my jigga
listen to jay to be on my grown man hustler shyt, these broke lazy stupid kids cant relate
I blame the "hustler to buisness man" gimmick for ruining hip hop as an art form.
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thats my jigga
listen to jay to be on my grown man hustler shyt, these broke lazy stupid kids cant relate
mortuus est
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"I like nice shyt and i know how to get it,Hustle dumb ass, its not rocket science or coronal physics"
"got a mill out the deal and im still on the ggriinnnnddd"
"got a mill out the deal and im still on the ggriinnnnddd"
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We can have this discussion forever...
But I don't care what anyone says, nobody except an idiot got into the music business to not be financially successful, as long as they could express their art. Even the artists who absolutely love what they do are still doing it as their livelihood (unless they have other avenues of getting money and really, really just rap because they enjoy it).
If the older artists had the opportunity and/or understanding of the business that rappers later had, they would've tried it just the same. One of the biggest gripes that used to come from a lot of the old school guys was that they used to get jerked, didn't get good deals, and were not business savvy enough to do other things. A lot of them did do this strictly out of wanting to make music and get paid, but they also suffered the most because they got into the industry and weren't getting paid rightfully.
And then years later, rappers got a little smarter and began to know their worth, and got better deals than a lot of the old school dudes did. This is when people like Too Short, EPMD, Eazy, etc. were smart to the business and made better moves. THEN, certain rappers like Jay, Master P, RZA, 50, etc. got REALLY smart to the biz, and they learned how to flip shyt even further, and so on. That mentality (at least as it relates to the people smart enough to actually put it into action) didn't ruin hip-hop, it made it better for the people doing it to make money instead of just making money for everybody except themselves. They made this shyt something bigger than rapping for petty cash while a bunch of people who don't give a shyt about the music count all the real money.
Anytime money comes into something, it's going to affect it to a degree, but the truth is this would've happened years ago if the older artists knew how to do it. You can't really blame the rapper/hustlers who REALLY made moves because a bunch of dumb muhfukkas wanna be like them but make terrible music, and usually don't last long anyway.
And it's hard to question the integrity of someone without knowing where their head's at- so yeah, there's some rappers out there who are in this as nothing but a way to make money. That's not to say that was their original only reason to begin rapping, or even their only reason now. But if you're gonna get in a business that would bleed you dry if you let it, it would probably be smart to learn how to avoid that. And if it takes being more of a hustler and businessman than just an artist, so be it.
But I don't care what anyone says, nobody except an idiot got into the music business to not be financially successful, as long as they could express their art. Even the artists who absolutely love what they do are still doing it as their livelihood (unless they have other avenues of getting money and really, really just rap because they enjoy it).
If the older artists had the opportunity and/or understanding of the business that rappers later had, they would've tried it just the same. One of the biggest gripes that used to come from a lot of the old school guys was that they used to get jerked, didn't get good deals, and were not business savvy enough to do other things. A lot of them did do this strictly out of wanting to make music and get paid, but they also suffered the most because they got into the industry and weren't getting paid rightfully.
And then years later, rappers got a little smarter and began to know their worth, and got better deals than a lot of the old school dudes did. This is when people like Too Short, EPMD, Eazy, etc. were smart to the business and made better moves. THEN, certain rappers like Jay, Master P, RZA, 50, etc. got REALLY smart to the biz, and they learned how to flip shyt even further, and so on. That mentality (at least as it relates to the people smart enough to actually put it into action) didn't ruin hip-hop, it made it better for the people doing it to make money instead of just making money for everybody except themselves. They made this shyt something bigger than rapping for petty cash while a bunch of people who don't give a shyt about the music count all the real money.
Anytime money comes into something, it's going to affect it to a degree, but the truth is this would've happened years ago if the older artists knew how to do it. You can't really blame the rapper/hustlers who REALLY made moves because a bunch of dumb muhfukkas wanna be like them but make terrible music, and usually don't last long anyway.
And it's hard to question the integrity of someone without knowing where their head's at- so yeah, there's some rappers out there who are in this as nothing but a way to make money. That's not to say that was their original only reason to begin rapping, or even their only reason now. But if you're gonna get in a business that would bleed you dry if you let it, it would probably be smart to learn how to avoid that. And if it takes being more of a hustler and businessman than just an artist, so be it.
All ill agree with is sum of these nikkas need to worry about the artistic side of things more bcuz they music is wack....I hate when dudes new in the gme come in talkin about exanding they "brand"...nikka worry bout ur artistry first so that you actually are around long term to have a brand.......but Jay absolutly should not be used as an example of this,Jeezy either......they always drop solid material if it ain't classic....I don't care if a nikka don't wanna call theyself a rapper but a hustler long as they got they artistic ducks in order.....and honestly artist is a stretch for sum rappers yet they still make great music simply bcuz they are allowed to do what the fuk they want to do,that's how the music comes out the best....if u look at 2pacs mindset when it came to music he wuz far from sumbody who wuz a perfectionist like a Dre or a Kanye,but Pac is considered the goat artist by many....but that's the point,let these nikkas create in they own way and suits stay out of it......these labels I know got money invested but they would get off these nikkas nuts if they cared about having artist who will last....but lthey don't. All they want is they investment returned immediately and ain't in it for the long haul.....they don't care if these dudes around 10 yrs from now,they just need them advances back and to make a profit...
But also a lot of these nikkas is just wack and don't have a creative juice in they body and are simply good at mimmicking...shyt is just wack now man, the industry wack,these labels is wack...these nikkas scared to do and say what they want and take a stand is wack
But also a lot of these nikkas is just wack and don't have a creative juice in they body and are simply good at mimmicking...shyt is just wack now man, the industry wack,these labels is wack...these nikkas scared to do and say what they want and take a stand is wack
When Black fans actually bought records in high volume the artform was respected more because artists could actually still eat. The market had to reflect that demand so u saw more diversity in acts with a higher skill set.
Now that the black dollar is no longer reflected in the soundscan, shows etc... U have this bizarre assortment of acts dumbing down and adopting cac mannerisms (skateboarding, tight clothes, what have u.)
Then u have the Drakes and the Trey Songs of the world pandering to the bytches so there will always b a market for that.
Once nikkas get back in school and start caking up in large numbers again u will see a renaissance in talent because our buying power will support it.
the c a c mannerisms are a part of the younger black generation the grew up in the burbs. The dumbing down process is really Puff's fault for making the BIG type rapper (bytches, hoes, cars) and made 95% of the cats wanting to be like him, similar to Fab, Jada, and Red Cafe (lol).
This is exactly what I'm saying. As the actual value of music went down, labels stopped giving out decent deals, and started to sell far less then it used to, rappers were forced to smarten up and try to pursue different venues if they wanted to make a profit from releasing the album much less supporting themselves. If rappers from the 80s had the ability or the drive to do some of the things that rappers are doing now they would do it in a heart beat. How do you look at how someone like Big Daddy Kane carried himself, the stuff he wore, and his lyrics and possibly think he wouldn't be out here hustling if he had the chance? Rappers used hip hop as a hustle since the beginning. The only difference is the $$$ they are bringing in
Carter G. Hoodson
Tarik is my name ✊✊✊
no, I blame on the fact that there's no criteria to be an MC no more. you come straight out of jail and be a rapper with no lyrical content whatsoever.
Real N Quotes
East Is In The House OMG
rappers were bought and sold on the auction block in the 80's and 90's. the entrepreneur market was destined to evolve. culture is driven by persuasion.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
actually the, i am just an entertainer aspect.
coupled with the ol school way of thought, sugar hill process.
mixed together with the mca model.
is what caused the death of hiphop's protection mechanism.
which opened the flood gate for the deflection gamesmanship of the, i am a hustler model.
which was more masculine and soon overtook and also melded with the it is just entertainment . i am an entertainer model.
which was created by sugar hill.
then put out to pasture in the old school way of thought.
then recreated in the new school way of thought by hammer.
then squelched by the original knights templar guard.
[of which nas was the evolition of.
then later sold out it and also caused further death of the cultural protection mechanism.]
coupled with hammer and vanilla ice's culturally disrespectful pr, and lies.
to then be re-ignited in the wake of biggie death.
where puff used emotional sentimentalism to usher in the, don't hate!
i am an entertainer model.
which soon died on his pe2ooo follow up.
to then be swung in a different direction to larger impact from a failed jiggy movement .
after jay flopped on vol i, and then ushered in the impact of the i am a hustler movement on volume ii.
art barr
coupled with the ol school way of thought, sugar hill process.
mixed together with the mca model.
is what caused the death of hiphop's protection mechanism.
which opened the flood gate for the deflection gamesmanship of the, i am a hustler model.
which was more masculine and soon overtook and also melded with the it is just entertainment . i am an entertainer model.
which was created by sugar hill.
then put out to pasture in the old school way of thought.
then recreated in the new school way of thought by hammer.
then squelched by the original knights templar guard.
[of which nas was the evolition of.
then later sold out it and also caused further death of the cultural protection mechanism.]
coupled with hammer and vanilla ice's culturally disrespectful pr, and lies.
to then be re-ignited in the wake of biggie death.
where puff used emotional sentimentalism to usher in the, don't hate!
i am an entertainer model.
which soon died on his pe2ooo follow up.
to then be swung in a different direction to larger impact from a failed jiggy movement .
after jay flopped on vol i, and then ushered in the impact of the i am a hustler movement on volume ii.
art barr
Hurricane Starang
SOHH ICEY
Its a mix of a lot of factors that messed the game up.
It really does boil down to Pre Jeezy/ Post Jeezy lol.
Remember that Monie Love interview?
"Let's see them first week numbers"
"Do Nas buss his guns?"
How raw is that though? Jeezy did it/does it for his type of people. Has never changed. Nas did at one point though.