Hulu's....Wu Tang: An American Saga Official Thread 9/8

[The War Report]

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Wu-Tang Clan “Triumph” (1997)
DIRECTOR’S COMMENTARY: “It was the first million dollar rap video. When Steve Rifkind asked me, I said, ‘Are you sure about this record? There’s no chorus!’ He says “Trust me, its gonna be the biggest record of the year. Only Wu-Tang could pull this off.’ So, I set up the video—Joseph Kahn was my cinematographer. I hear that they want eleven Suburbans—they each want their own. They each also want $50,000 worth of gear, and they told me all their designers. So first day, these guys are walking in one at a time, and each guy walks into the dressing room, and walks out with plastic bags filled with all the clothes. I called Steve like, ‘They’re stealing all the clothes!’ He’s like, ‘Don’t worry, let them have it.’”
“It’s a five day shoot, and it’s crazy. The greatest fukkin’ experience, they’re eating mushrooms the whole time. Ol’ Dirty never shows up. I was like, Oh my god, this is fukking insane! The most fun I ever had. After shooting ends, they all leave to go on tour in Europe, but Ghost never would travel, because he had diabetes. So he checks into a hotel, and they said, ‘Yo Ghost, you watch Brett, and watch over that edit, man. White devil could fukk it up!” So, we’re in the edit room, and we call the group on speakerphone. And it’s the funniest thing, this is embedded in my memory. They’re all on the phone like, ‘White muthafukkin’ devil, man, tryin’ to rob us motherfukker!’ And Ghost is looking at me while on speakerphone, just winking at me like, I love you man! [laughs].”
“So three days into the edit, I get a call that Ghost had had been kicked out of like eleven hotels, and I’m like, ‘Why were you kicked out?’ He’s like, ‘I don’t know man, I got fukked up, and I just start breaking shyt. Can you come get me? I got no place to stay.’ So I let him stay at my house. Suddenly my phone rings, and it’s Steve Rifkind, ‘Whats going on?’ I go, ‘Nothing, I’m just bringing Ghost over my house ’cause he got kicked out of the hotel.’ Then there’s silence on the other end of the phone. I say, ‘Whats wrong?’ He goes, ‘I gotta call you back.’ Five days later, he calls me up and goes, ‘Are you okay? Oh my God, you scared the shyt outta me, man. How can you let this guy stay at your house? I don’t even let these guys know where I live!’ I go, ‘What do you mean? He’s the nicest guy in the world.’ He goes, ‘You don’t know what Ghostface has? He hallucinates, he hears voices like kill your mom, kill your mom. He has to be medicated because he has homicidal thoughts.’ So a month goes by, and I would edit all day, and Ghost would just chill at my house until we finished. A month later, I’m with my girlfriend in the backyard, and the cat starts going fukking crazy and starts digging into the dirt. We dig up a bucket of fried chicken. Ghost buried a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken in the backyard. How fukkin’ freaky is that?”

No wonder it was so hard for RZA to corral these dudes to focus on something. It's damn near impossible.

 

[Robbie3000]

Ratner directed the triumph video.. Little fun fact.

But in u God book he tells a story about how him and ghost went to a party at ratner house and drank too much rum and ghost starting wilding out pissing on his floors and ripping up his flowerbeds

Same party U God told Leonardo Decaprio to STFU.

 

[Robbie3000]

A movie that covers 91-97 (start with RZA and GZA getting jerked and end with the release of Forever) could run 2.5 hours and tell the story. Rae has said he wanted to model it on Straight Outta Compton (which should have ended with Eazy's death- all the Tupac stuff was unnecessary and not part of NWA's story).

Instead we got 3 seasons of WZA and Dave East fukkin up every scene.

I think Dave East did a good job.

WZA was terrible. He captured none of RZA’s charisma. Don’t know what RZA was thinking when he made that choice.

 

[The War Report]

Did RZA really not use any samples for Forever?

 

[nieman]

Did RZA really not use any samples for Forever?

I'm looking through the CD foldout...I really don't see any. Don't know how I missed that before..

I see why people felt this episode felt rushed. Wu-Forever & the Rage tour are pivotal moments in that year though, so either way one would've been shafted in pace. I hope Dirty really didn't follow one of their tours we'll never see another group like that again.

I love the ending though. When I listen to A Better Tomorrow, I always felt they need clips of them arguing or something right before the track started.

 

[BuddahMAC]

nah, there's plenty of samples on Forever

I think RZA used the show disagreements over Forever production to represent the larger disagreements they had later over RZA's production on W, IF, 8D & ABT.

 

[flatlinerz]

I think 4th disciple killed it on Wu Forever on beats but they didn't even mention him on the show

 

[Barney Rubble]

I respect RZA for trying to evolve his sound like Dr. Dre did so many times, but you're lying if you say any era of RZA other than 93-95 was his best. We all just want that dusty, grimy RZA Wu shyt.

 

[DaHNIC82]

I think Dave East did a good job.

WZA was terrible. He captured none of RZA’s charisma. Don’t know what RZA was thinking when he made that choice.

He confirmed his status as WZA here

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

Did RZA really not use any samples for Forever?

I'm looking through the CD foldout...I really don't see any. Don't know how I missed that before..

I see why people felt this episode felt rushed. Wu-Forever & the Rage tour are pivotal moments in that year though, so either way one would've been shafted in pace. I hope Dirty really didn't follow one of their tours we'll never see another group like that again.

I love the ending though. When I listen to A Better Tomorrow, I always felt they need clips of them arguing or something right before the track started.

Forever had some samples... Just wasnt sample based.

 

[nieman]

Forever had some samples... Just wasnt sample based.

I know Scary Hours, Little Ghetto Boys, For Heavens Sake contain vocal samples, but there seems to be very little recognized musical samples - if any. I'm probably gonna visit Whosampled today, to see what's listed. Either way, that is still amazing.

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

The guy they cast for gza I think was terrific

 

[LandryFieldsDad]

I guess I'll watch mics and men again and then hope that once upon a time in Shaolin gets released somehow

 

[Atsym Sknyfs]

I know Scary Hours, Little Ghetto Boys, For Heavens Sake contain vocal samples, but there seems to be very little recognized musical samples - if any. I'm probably gonna visit Whosampled today, to see what's listed. Either way, that is still amazing.

same with triumph.. it contains a vocal sample.....

but i get what rza did.... its like with my beats, i have some start with the sample and some where im just playing around with instruments and sounds..

Forever started with sounds he played then he built around it as opposed to digging for samples and then building the beat...

Same process to a degree but different foundations

Wu-Tang Forever by Wu-Tang Clan: Album Samples, Covers and Remixes

Discover the samples, covers and remixes in the album Wu-Tang Forever by Wu-Tang Clan.

www.whosampled.com

 

[nieman]

same with triumph.. it contains a vocal sample.....

but i get what rza did.... its like with my beats, i have some start with the sample and some where im just playing around with instruments and sounds..

Forever started with sounds he played then he built around it as opposed to digging for samples and then building the beat...

Same process to a degree but different foundations

Wu-Tang Forever by Wu-Tang Clan: Album Samples, Covers and Remixes

Discover the samples, covers and remixes in the album Wu-Tang Forever by Wu-Tang Clan.

www.whosampled.com

The Roots used to do that in the early days...start of as jam sessions, then tweak, add interpolations of other songs for the recording