How will Joe Biden GOVERN? General Biden Administration F**kery Thread

[Pressure]

Just so we're clear, none of this is about dismissing the importance of inflation to American voters or even that the Biden administration has the best messaging.

But this is always going to be a losing issue when you lean into this American exceptionalist idea being pushed by the GOP and others that there's a magic bullet to make Americans immune to post Covid global inflation that's occurred.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

What line of thinking? That issues should have by proper governance than attempting performative hail marries like we saw with student debt relief.


The public isn't interested in lawsuits that last year's when they have issues that harm them now. From a public policy perspective there are better, more pressing, and faster ways to provide relief to consumers.

Sadly, most of them are through legislation. Voters routinely reject their economic interests. So despite what polling says, there behavior shows otherwise.

That's because gas prices are one of the largest factors in inflation that people feel daily.


It's completely disingenuous to pretend the Biden administration hasn't been consistent with regards to corporate profits across multiple sectors and supports putting more money in the pockets of American citizens. Whether it be through labor negotiations or through increased taxation that allows for more social programs.

You just gotta be a contrarian to the highest order.

Let's not forget drug price negotians


It's not naive moralizing when the Biden administration is nominating and appointing liberal judges at a high clip.

To suggest merely because you didn't win a case it means that judges you appointed aren't properly interpreting / exercising law is Trumpian and an overall harmful to a functioning democracy.

But this all comes back down to the point I've been harping on since I joined this site. If voters don't nominate and elect forward thinking candidates and conto ue to reward the GOP for their broken governance then we are voters are complicit in the ills we say we want addressed.

But y'all don't like that conversation.

Strawmen by the truckload breh. All of those links you posted are meaningless as I didn't suggest any fundamental opposition to drug price negotiations, or the various provisions from the inflation reduction act that were passed. I even offered an explanation for why they went this route. I have to admit it was a bit amusing to read you describe the student loan plan (which I felt didn't go far enough) as "performative" while offering the same old "press release decrying oil company profits" as evidence of the administration's efforts to seriously tackle inflation LMAO.

But more importantly you're missing the critical link between what you dismiss as "performative hail marries" and your point that these issues ultimately boil down to voter preferences/behavior. Our candidates believe they are entitled to votes because of their good intentions and actively avoid a more confrontational/confident style that clearly motivates higher turnout.

The right wing openly demands its pool of potential judges to be on the "right" side of the issues but you're out here pearl clutching about how its "trumpian" for the left to want to make sure its judges interpret the laws in ways that are ultimately justified both legally and morally.

And unfortunately it's symptomatic of the "YoU'rE nOt SeRRIoUs"/bullet point/flaccidly technocratic style that drives the Dem party and practically oozes from your post.

"It's completely disingenuous to pretend the Biden administration hasn't been consistent with regards to corporate profits across multiple sectors and supports putting more money in the pockets of American citizens. "

Sounds like a winning message breh. I'm sure voters are going to be FIRED UP by this message.

 

[Pressure]

Strawmen by the truckload breh. All of those links you posted are meaningless as I didn't suggest any fundamental opposition to drug price negotiations, or the various provisions from the inflation reduction act that were passed. I even offered an explanation for why they went this route. I have to admit it was a bit amusing to read you describe the student loan plan (which I felt didn't go far enough) as "performative" while offering the same old "press release decrying oil company profits" as evidence of the administration's efforts to seriously tackle inflation LMAO.

I thought his executive order was performative because I didn't think it had a chance at passing. I've been consistent on the fact that I support led student debt relief and free college, but I thought mass relief stood nearly a zero percent chance at going through with the current SCOTUS makeup.

I don't fault him for trying and I applaud him for the debt relief that has occurred via existing avenues which we know would work.

More that later.

But more importantly you're missing the critical link between what you dismiss as "performative hail marries" and your point that these issues ultimately boil down to voter preferences/behavior. Our candidates believe they are entitled to votes because of their good intentions and actively avoid a more confrontational/confident style that clearly motivates higher turnout.

It seems you are missing my point. The reason I pointed out all these actions is because they show realistic and successful attempts to tackle inflationary pressure in real time.

We can criticize the administration for being slow to act or believing things would return to normal once supply chain issues were resolved, but it's bad faith to suggest they haven't been using or don't have the ability to address many of these concerns without trying to win court cases.

The right wing openly demands its pool of potential judges to be on the "right" side of the issues but you're out here pearl clutching about how its "trumpian" for the left to want to make sure its judges interpret the laws in ways that are ultimately justified both legally and morally.

I guess you're conveniently admitting how often Trump and right wingers complain about Bush and Trump appointed judges blocking laws they try and hamfistedly administer or even SCOTUS rejecting their congressional maps.

Certainly you appoint judged that are ideologically sympathetic to your own, but suggesting it's a failure merely because they don't rule your way ALL the time is just bullshyt that shows me you aren't being serious.

And unfortunately it's symptomatic of the "YoU'rE nOt SeRRIoUs"/bullet point/flaccidly technocratic style that drives the Dem party and practically oozes from your post.

Such weird statement considering Obama was an extremely gifted and popular retail politician and Biden is delivering on a progressive agenda that caters to working and middle class Americans. He's literally doing what he ran on and sometimes more.

Hard for me to take any of that criticism seriously when a large proton of the country want to elect Trump and DeSantis while easily dismissing Warren and Sanders.

 

[Pressure]

Wild to see someone bemoan technocracy in defense of Matt Stoller.

Also wild to see someone point to examples of actual governance related to the issue at hand, attacking corporate profits, as a strawman after implying the administration is afraid to take on corporations with their power at hand.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

The serendipity.

What I Most Regret About My Decades of Legal Activism

By focusing on civil liberties but ignoring economic issues, liberals like me got defeated on both.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Pressure]

The serendipity.

What I Most Regret About My Decades of Legal Activism

By focusing on civil liberties but ignoring economic issues, liberals like me got defeated on both.

www.theatlantic.com

False dilemma and factually incorrect anyway for this administration.

 

[Jalether]

It will be a travesty if Biden loses to this

 

[Pressure]

It will be a travesty if Biden loses to this

The American people get what they vote for.

 

[Jalether]

The American people get what they vote for.

The media are sure helping to make trump 2nd term a reality

 

[Jean Jacket]

So, what's next?

 

[FAH1223]

 

[CrimsonTider]

This line of thinking is why the Dems routinely underperform on economic issues.



Yes, actually it's been the most pressing issue of probably the entire administration so far.



They've danced around the issue. Only mentioned it a few times and mostly by pointing to oil/utility companies. I think they didn't want the political fight, which is why the inflation reduction act tries to recapture some of the profits on the backend by corporate minimum taxes etc. But to say the admin has been clear is giving way more credit than they deserve.

I think they might start making that argument more as the campaign really begins, because frankly that view will have a huge audience among the public.



This kind of idealistic, naive moralizing is music to the GOP's ears. You get to act all high and mighty while they worry about obtaining and exercising power.

Come on now, Dems underperform on economics because the other sides message is to “cut taxes and government” no matter the economic environment

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

In an otherwise reasonable world this story would be the first stop for ppl to understand what's really going on. But instead we have these idiot mayors who don't even care to understand the laws and realities all of a sudden realizing they're now the dog that caught the car.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Come on now, Dems underperform on economics because the other sides message is to “cut taxes and government” no matter the economic environment

Wrong.

Dems underperform bc of an inability to turn out their own voters, NOT bc the GOP manages to peel them away.

 

[CrimsonTider]

Wrong.

Dems underperform bc of an inability to turn out their own voters, NOT bc the GOP manages to peel them away.

I was responding to “underperform on economic issues”